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this hour by frederick remington fully

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you're in the paracast

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the gold standard of paranormal radio

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and now

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so this has been such an exciting week

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if it happens again you won't hear from

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me because i may not be here so chris

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you're telling me that this has happened

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to you a few times but somebody in a

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truck decided he didn't like my car

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the car

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anyway we don't want to get into that

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all the stuff so you were in utah at

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some kind of event chris can you tell us

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anything about that

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the paranormal and he thought that it

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annual utah uh ufo fest and

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alien dave rosenfeld was there

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for disclosure at the washington

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free event

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yeah it was a free event sponsored by a

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i did it just to help out and also to

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the most interesting uh fossil hunting

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going to make any guesses yes it's

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advocates because we believe in what 97

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eyes and right now the maximum

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so everything you save on one of those

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with that former pennsylvania state

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director and so-called hate speech

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and what i have done and i want to be

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balanced because the network that used

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to do that no longer says fair in

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balance but to be fair objective i wrote

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director of mufon and i said look

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we all know what's going on here

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after they do their conference and chris

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mufon symposium this year no oh my god

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where he's gone back and given the

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our next segment john desouza more to

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so we bring to the power cast today

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the x-man he calls himself the x-man

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on

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his

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skype

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account

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now i was thinking when he says x-man

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he's either a mutant in disguise or he's

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something to do with the x-files

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or he really wanted to say the eggman

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for people who used to like the beatles

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but none of the above right or actually

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closer to x-files is that correct sir

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that is correct gene chris i'm very

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honored to be on here with you on the

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paracast the gold standard of paranormal

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radio yes i am uh well i'm john de souza

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i am called the x-men and it's not a

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compliment it's just a nickname i picked

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up uh during my years well in the 90s

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with the fbi uh because i got involved

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in a minor little scandal with the

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x-files

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which you know everybody knows uh of

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that show and how great it was and there

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was a problem with it though

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well it looked to a lot of people like

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some of the shows were actually taken

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from real life

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fbi case files in other words rip from

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not the headlines but the secret files

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correct the reason we feel that's true

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is because higher ups and soon after the

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f the x-files started in the 90s by

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chris carter the creator of the show the

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higher-ups in the fbi got very upset and

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they questioned me and several other

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people on whether we were the source for

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chris carter's stories

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i was questioned because i was an

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enormous fan of the show and i made that

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no secret about that chris carter was

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questioned on where he was getting his

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information from of course one of his

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responses was well why don't you tell me

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what specific cases your or

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shows you're talking about and then we

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can match up our information and see

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what we've got and i said the same thing

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as well but they were not willing to

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give up what cases in particular they're

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talking about or which x-file stories in

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particular they're talking about

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so they ended up kind of calling it a

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draw

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and telling chris carter that he could

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go on with the show

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chris carter said he felt he had dodged

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a bullet he thought he was they were

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going to shut him down that's how

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vociferous they were and i was told by

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my superiors that i had been

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because of my

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love and the suspicions surrounding me

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at that time i was demoted from g-man to

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x-men and so that's how that uh came

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about

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like i said it was not a compliment at

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all and so the show just was allowed to

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go on i think it was one of the one of

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the great shows on the air especially in

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the world of paranormal and it really uh

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showed us

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quite a lot about what was going on in

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the world

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so did you have any direct involvement

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with the show at this point or what no i

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did not as a matter of fact chris carter

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i think i believe that he said he was

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getting uh information on

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procedures like fbi procedures from

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retired fbi agents which is perfectly

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fine but people who are on board with

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the organization cannot consult with

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television shows so therefore james

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comey did not disclose

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any information to the x-files

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especially since he was half the fbi

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only during

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the most recent season of x-files when

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they brought it back for six episodes

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yeah most likely i don't know too much

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about what he does uh even even when he

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was uh in the fbi yeah it's a good thing

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uh it's a good thing he is where he is

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now so i think that's best for everybody

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all right now the reason i brought up

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this fbi stuff being that he's a former

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fbi agent is when you look at his

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picture

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in skype

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and you see john with a suit in the tie

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and you know if he had the fbi badge

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you'd believe him he looks like somebody

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who

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at least at one time worked for law

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enforcement i don't know if that's a

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compliment or not but that's how you

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look

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yeah well you know it's a position where

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you have a lot of responsibilities and

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you have to do a lot of things and

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sometimes when you get a judge's order

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in your hand you gotta go do whatever

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that order says

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even if it's uh

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going out and forcing uh other people to

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come with you to do whatever you've got

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to do and uh yeah that that does come up

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and i had to be in that frame of mind uh

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especially when uh most of my cases most

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everything that i worked was in the war

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on terror it was uh big counterterrorism

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cases cases that were pretty well known

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like had a big public profile the the

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una bomber case that went on for years

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and years and the 93 world trade center

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bombing and various other uh acts

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terrorism

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acts that uh went on during a long

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period of time looking at the x-file tv

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program back when it was on

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uh there was a certain amount of

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speculation that there was some sort of

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special

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bureau within in the agency or or a

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special subgroup if you will that was

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handling those types of cases from your

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experience um as a g-man i mean were

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there certain

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officers that specialized in in the more

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kind of off-kilter cases like that was

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there a series of x-files that were

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being scrolled away for a special

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investigation to your knowledge

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well

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yes but not like a special x-files

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section or squad or division or anything

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like that the fbi in large part it

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functions on experts there's agents fbi

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agents who are like for instance

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the uh world expert on military medals

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and counterfeit military medals and that

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particular guy will be the expert

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worldwide

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for

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doing nothing but that and in the fbi uh

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for quite a period of time i was the

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paranormal pretty much collection point

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for anything that had to do with the

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paranormal

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for many years it just occurred it just

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developed over a number of years during

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that time and anything that had to do

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with paranormal but at the same time i

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was

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only allowed to do what's called running

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out the lead in the physical world so

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for instance uh i write about a lot of

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these cases in my book the power

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investigators basically it's the fbi

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would allow

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the investigation of these cases

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until the physical question was answered

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they really wouldn't allow us to go

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beyond that

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you know a good great example of that

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was the first case that i the first case

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that many of us dealt with that was the

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paranormal experience of the paranormal

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law enforcement which was the indigo

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kids of 911

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when the 911 terrorist attacks happened

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in the days before it we had these cases

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of

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little kids very young kids

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all over the country dozens and dozens

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of cases of these kids

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having precognitive experiences of what

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was going to occur on 9 11. and really

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i'd never heard that

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yes well that was

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very well known in the law enforcement

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community and

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it happened all over the country and

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what happened was

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all these kids had these experiences

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they're not reported by their parents

564
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they're not reporting their own kids but

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no this uh i was telling the story of

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the first

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really great experience of the

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paranormal for a lot of law enforcement

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officers which occurred just before the

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events of 9 11 in 2001 and it was

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something that involved me and many

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other officers fbi agents cross country

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little kids that were having these

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precognitive experiences of

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the events of 9 11.

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and just to give some examples we had a

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little girl who was

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on a school yard

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during recess

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kids she was just

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about eight years old she was sitting by

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herself in the dirt just kind of tracing

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circles uh in the dirt with her finger

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and the teacher comes over to her and

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tells her uh are you okay sweetheart

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what's uh what's going on and the little

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thinking and teacher goes to walk away

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violently and tells her tomorrow make

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so the teacher walks away from that

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little girl you know just chalks it up

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too much sugar and doesn't think about

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it again

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until 9 11 actually happens and then she

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another little boy was in his class

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doing arts and crafts

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you know again very young boy just doing

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class and the teacher comes over to him

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glowing and they uh have these these

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flying to and the little boy says to her

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those buildings aren't glowing

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those buildings are on fire and those

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that little boy doesn't really think too

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much about it

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until

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9 11 happens and then she

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calls it in you know and uh

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people have to actually

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take those leads seriously you know law

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enforcement officers with guns have to

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go and interview this little kid

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about something that he barely probably

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barely remembers himself and another

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school bus

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and everybody's been delivered to the

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school he's the last one on there

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because he falls asleep apparently

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didn't get much sleep the night before

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boy wakes up screaming about people on

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fire falling out of buildings

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bus driver gets the child up you know

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gets him to school doesn't think again

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doesn't think much about it until 9 11

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happens

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and then calls it in now all these cases

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had to be run out as we call run running

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out the lead they had to be entered

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there was no discretion on it we could

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not

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just say okay this is ridiculous we're

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not going to interview these kids we had

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these kids had to be interviewed they

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had to be spoken to

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if the agent or the officer felt

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ridiculous they had to go do it and the

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families had to be checked for

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background

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for any possible connection to terrorism

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because the thought was

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maybe these kids could have had these

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experiences because they overheard

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adults

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adults as to something they were

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planning or something like that so

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that's why all that had to be checked

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the kids had to be spoken to they had to

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be you know kind of interrogated to find

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out if they had gotten any ideas from

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hearing adults or from someplace else

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and that that's where they could have

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gotten the impressions and in every

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single one of these cases because we

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talked about these things afterward

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there were conferences and so forth

839
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where we talked about these things every

840
00:33:02,870 --> 00:33:00,320
single one of these cases it came back

841
00:33:06,230 --> 00:33:02,880
no connection to terrorism whatsoever

842
00:33:08,149 --> 00:33:06,240
so the paranormal explanation was the

843
00:33:10,470 --> 00:33:08,159
only explanation left

844
00:33:13,590 --> 00:33:10,480
with these kids in in every single

845
00:33:16,710 --> 00:33:13,600
instance let me tell you a story true my

846
00:33:20,389 --> 00:33:16,720
very modest 9 11 story about two months

847
00:33:22,149 --> 00:33:20,399
before 9 11. the family and i

848
00:33:24,710 --> 00:33:22,159
went to new york visit family in new

849
00:33:27,990 --> 00:33:24,720
jersey and everything and we went to the

850
00:33:30,630 --> 00:33:28,000
world trade center now as chris knows

851
00:33:32,870 --> 00:33:30,640
i am not a fan of heights

852
00:33:35,590 --> 00:33:32,880
don't like driving up where he lives or

853
00:33:37,430 --> 00:33:35,600
going up to sedona or flagstaff although

854
00:33:38,549 --> 00:33:37,440
i've done that

855
00:33:41,190 --> 00:33:38,559
and

856
00:33:44,389 --> 00:33:41,200
i have been though

857
00:33:47,430 --> 00:33:44,399
at the world trade center prior to that

858
00:33:48,710 --> 00:33:47,440
and i managed to survive at the top

859
00:33:51,430 --> 00:33:48,720
floor

860
00:33:52,950 --> 00:33:51,440
and as it was situated if you recall you

861
00:33:53,830 --> 00:33:52,960
go up in the elevator and then it would

862
00:33:56,070 --> 00:33:53,840
be

863
00:33:58,710 --> 00:33:56,080
kind of a lookout point

864
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or tower that

865
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you had to reach with an escalator

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i got up to

867
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the floor below that and i was

868
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frightened to death

869
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i couldn't move

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and

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ahead

872
00:34:22,550 --> 00:34:19,200
so i sat down there

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at this restaurant feeling dread

874
00:34:26,069 --> 00:34:23,919
and

875
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i didn't feel comfortable until we not

876
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only

877
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went

878
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down the elevator to the ground floor

879
00:34:34,790 --> 00:34:32,399
but i left the building wasn't

880
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comfortable until then i was even

881
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nervous before we entered i dropped my

882
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camera

883
00:34:42,550 --> 00:34:40,159
didn't damage it seriously but it was

884
00:34:45,349 --> 00:34:42,560
kind of a bummer

885
00:34:47,109 --> 00:34:45,359
and then of course we had 911.

886
00:34:48,710 --> 00:34:47,119
i don't know if there was a connection

887
00:34:51,270 --> 00:34:48,720
or not

888
00:34:53,669 --> 00:34:51,280
i didn't obviously have any expectation

889
00:34:56,149 --> 00:34:53,679
of what happened or that it would happen

890
00:34:58,069 --> 00:34:56,159
but i wonder john if there

891
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was a fair number of people who had the

892
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same feeling especially being there what

893
00:35:04,630 --> 00:35:02,560
do you think

894
00:35:07,430 --> 00:35:04,640
i think they did i'll tell you myself

895
00:35:10,230 --> 00:35:07,440
personally a very similar uh type of

896
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experience uh because as you know i was

897
00:35:18,710 --> 00:35:15,839
involved in 90 93 94 well 94 when

898
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some terrorists uh tried to

899
00:35:24,150 --> 00:35:21,200
blow up the world trade center back then

900
00:35:25,990 --> 00:35:24,160
back then like 93 it actually occurred

901
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and there were four terrorists that were

902
00:35:30,630 --> 00:35:28,480
arrested for that and uh that was a that

903
00:35:31,750 --> 00:35:30,640
was a big huge case that went on for

904
00:35:35,190 --> 00:35:31,760
years and years

905
00:35:38,310 --> 00:35:35,200
and so i i testified in a lot of those

906
00:35:41,190 --> 00:35:38,320
cases and uh we worked on that those

907
00:35:43,270 --> 00:35:41,200
cases went on for years as well but

908
00:35:46,230 --> 00:35:43,280
i would whenever i would have to go

909
00:35:49,670 --> 00:35:46,240
myself to the world trade center after

910
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93 i had always heard rumors that the

911
00:35:54,390 --> 00:35:53,040
stability of the towers were a little

912
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compromised

913
00:36:00,069 --> 00:35:56,880
and sure enough when i had one occasion

914
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to go up in this and the uh just like

915
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you did with your family and it was a

916
00:36:07,349 --> 00:36:05,440
windy day a windy day i felt i felt that

917
00:36:09,670 --> 00:36:07,359
shaking like and they said and they

918
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would tell you oh no that shaking is

919
00:36:13,750 --> 00:36:11,599
perfectly natural that's perfectly

920
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natural it's uh building in and out of

921
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there

922
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i was a

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bicycle messenger down on wall street

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for a season and

925
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i i went in and out of there uh daily

926
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and yeah on windy days i think it's way

927
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one thing i do

928
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let's do that on a break after that

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well there you go

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we'll have more of that and the feelings

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of dread in connection with 9 11 in the

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listening to the paracast the gold

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was a bicycle messenger

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in new york city

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yeah

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yep i used to go in there uh daily and

1040
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i'll never forget getting my bike

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locked up there and on the edge of the

1042
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plaza and looking up at those two

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buildings and i every time

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they didn't look real

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um they didn't look like they were

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actually there

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they look like fake buildings

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wow

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why do you say fake buildings how old

1050
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were you they just they did they didn't

1051
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look real

1052
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how old were you at the time

1053
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20 i think 19

1054
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fake buildings fascinating

1055
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yeah yeah they they didn't look real

1056
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standing at the bottom and in the plaza

1057
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looking up they didn't look like they

1058
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didn't look real that's the only thing i

1059
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can

1060
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very interesting when we had clifford

1061
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mahouti on quite a number of years ago

1062
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he mentioned that the medicine societies

1063
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that go down to

1064
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they cross the border

1065
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into arizona and they have a small

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section of their reservation that's

1067
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actually

1068
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not in new mexico but in arizona and

1069
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south of the main reservation

1070
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about 40 miles and

1071
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it's called zuni heaven and every four

1072
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years they go there and

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at some point

1074
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the air

1075
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lights up like a like a movie screen and

1076
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they're given a vision of something

1077
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that's going to happen

1078
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they go there like i said every four

1079
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years in june

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and in 2001 it was the fourth year

1081
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and so they went in june and were

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they were shown

1083
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the world trade center being taken down

1084
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and so the the zuni uh there are rumors

1085
00:43:31,109 --> 00:43:28,800
going around there

1086
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for weeks uh prior to 9 11 that

1087
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something really

1088
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terrible was going to happen they had no

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idea when how long in the future was

1090
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going to happen

1091
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uh i think most people thought it was

1092
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it didn't think it was going to happen

1093
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so soon but

1094
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but clifford remembers distinctly his

1095
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brother telling him look we're going to

1096
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have something

1097
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some big buildings are going to come

1098
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come down

1099
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and i've always found that to be very

1100
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intriguing

1101
00:43:58,069 --> 00:43:55,119
the several times obviously that they've

1102
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gone since then have been other uh

1103
00:44:02,470 --> 00:43:59,920
pretty interesting

1104
00:44:05,510 --> 00:44:02,480
supposed uh premonition

1105
00:44:06,950 --> 00:44:05,520
sort of visions but uh the 911 ones the

1106
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one that really sticks in my mind

1107
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because the

1108
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they had about a three month warning on

1109
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it

1110
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wow yes i know clifford and yeah those

1111
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are some amazing stories uh i'll tell

1112
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you one that uh that people don't know

1113
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about pretty much the same area of

1114
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reservation in arizona we had because i

1115
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know because i interviewed the people

1116
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when the phoenix lights happened and

1117
00:44:35,510 --> 00:44:33,040
supposedly there was this enormous ship

1118
00:44:38,630 --> 00:44:35,520
you know that was seen over phoenix i

1119
00:44:40,150 --> 00:44:38,640
think it was in 94 96

1120
00:44:42,309 --> 00:44:40,160
96

1121
00:44:43,270 --> 00:44:42,319
march 17 97

1122
00:44:44,870 --> 00:44:43,280
okay

1123
00:44:47,190 --> 00:44:44,880
um just

1124
00:44:50,470 --> 00:44:47,200
just a couple of days after that

1125
00:44:52,230 --> 00:44:50,480
sighting now over over the res out in

1126
00:44:54,950 --> 00:44:52,240
the in arizona

1127
00:44:57,430 --> 00:44:54,960
there was the same the same ship

1128
00:44:59,270 --> 00:44:57,440
that appeared uh and actually no i think

1129
00:45:02,069 --> 00:44:59,280
it may have been just just hours like

1130
00:45:04,710 --> 00:45:02,079
the next the next night the same ship

1131
00:45:06,309 --> 00:45:04,720
appeared over the res in the same area

1132
00:45:08,230 --> 00:45:06,319
that you're talking about

1133
00:45:11,430 --> 00:45:08,240
uh that uh clifford mahoody was talking

1134
00:45:14,309 --> 00:45:11,440
about also right it just appeared and

1135
00:45:16,390 --> 00:45:14,319
the people the witnesses that i spoke to

1136
00:45:19,270 --> 00:45:16,400
uh they said yeah they said that was the

1137
00:45:21,670 --> 00:45:19,280
same [\h__\h] except it was much closer

1138
00:45:24,710 --> 00:45:21,680
much closer to the to them they could

1139
00:45:26,309 --> 00:45:24,720
see no now was this up on on the rim

1140
00:45:28,950 --> 00:45:26,319
of i believe

1141
00:45:30,710 --> 00:45:28,960
yes i believe so yeah i think his son

1142
00:45:32,230 --> 00:45:30,720
may have been one of those ones that saw

1143
00:45:34,630 --> 00:45:32,240
that

1144
00:45:37,270 --> 00:45:34,640
i think his son had a sighting

1145
00:45:39,510 --> 00:45:37,280
right there the day over the day after i

1146
00:45:41,829 --> 00:45:39,520
think the phoenix lights

1147
00:45:43,750 --> 00:45:41,839
and this this ship that they saw they

1148
00:45:45,670 --> 00:45:43,760
said it was so immense

1149
00:45:48,069 --> 00:45:45,680
it was so large that they couldn't

1150
00:45:49,270 --> 00:45:48,079
calculate they really couldn't calculate

1151
00:45:51,349 --> 00:45:49,280
how large

1152
00:45:53,270 --> 00:45:51,359
it was but they said it had to be at

1153
00:45:55,030 --> 00:45:53,280
least a couple of miles across the sky

1154
00:45:56,150 --> 00:45:55,040
because everything was blotted out the

1155
00:45:57,990 --> 00:45:56,160
stars

1156
00:46:01,670 --> 00:45:58,000
were blotted out completely and it was a

1157
00:46:04,710 --> 00:46:01,680
very starry night and i sp and one woman

1158
00:46:06,470 --> 00:46:04,720
uh said it gave off a spotlight if you

1159
00:46:09,030 --> 00:46:06,480
could calculate the middle of such an

1160
00:46:11,349 --> 00:46:09,040
immense object somewhere from around the

1161
00:46:14,309 --> 00:46:11,359
middle it gave off that blue bluish

1162
00:46:15,270 --> 00:46:14,319
green spotlight that came down to the

1163
00:46:17,670 --> 00:46:15,280
ground

1164
00:46:19,510 --> 00:46:17,680
and one woman who was actually she was

1165
00:46:21,109 --> 00:46:19,520
not a native person she was a she was a

1166
00:46:23,030 --> 00:46:21,119
caucasian lady

1167
00:46:25,589 --> 00:46:23,040
and she went running out to the

1168
00:46:27,109 --> 00:46:25,599
spotlight and started jumping around and

1169
00:46:29,829 --> 00:46:27,119
dancing in it

1170
00:46:32,069 --> 00:46:29,839
and uh it was she said it was most

1171
00:46:34,550 --> 00:46:32,079
amazing experience of her life

1172
00:46:37,109 --> 00:46:34,560
because everybody else was pretty scared

1173
00:46:39,670 --> 00:46:37,119
of the appearance of the vehicle so yeah

1174
00:46:43,510 --> 00:46:39,680
these the reservations can be very

1175
00:46:45,589 --> 00:46:43,520
mystical mystical places especially uh

1176
00:46:47,750 --> 00:46:45,599
especially where there are people who

1177
00:46:51,510 --> 00:46:47,760
are good receivers for that sort of

1178
00:46:56,150 --> 00:46:53,750
well um you know i've been going through

1179
00:46:58,630 --> 00:46:56,160
your book and

1180
00:47:01,109 --> 00:46:58,640
i'm very intrigued how you've arrived at

1181
00:47:03,750 --> 00:47:01,119
some of your conclusions uh

1182
00:47:05,750 --> 00:47:03,760
i mean we're as you probably know um

1183
00:47:06,950 --> 00:47:05,760
having heard the show

1184
00:47:09,349 --> 00:47:06,960
we're

1185
00:47:12,150 --> 00:47:09,359
fairly down on the the eth the

1186
00:47:14,790 --> 00:47:12,160
extraterrestrial hypothesis as being

1187
00:47:17,750 --> 00:47:14,800
woefully inadequate to explain

1188
00:47:19,589 --> 00:47:17,760
um at least the ufo sort of so-called

1189
00:47:21,910 --> 00:47:19,599
alien side of

1190
00:47:23,030 --> 00:47:21,920
of these mysteries and

1191
00:47:25,349 --> 00:47:23,040
one of the things that caught my

1192
00:47:27,190 --> 00:47:25,359
attention about you and your work was

1193
00:47:31,030 --> 00:47:27,200
the title of your

1194
00:47:32,309 --> 00:47:31,040
first book about the actual dimensionals

1195
00:47:33,270 --> 00:47:32,319
and

1196
00:47:35,270 --> 00:47:33,280
of course

1197
00:47:37,030 --> 00:47:35,280
being someone who's been a big fan of

1198
00:47:39,030 --> 00:47:37,040
jacques fillet and

1199
00:47:41,190 --> 00:47:39,040
john keel and and

1200
00:47:43,190 --> 00:47:41,200
other more

1201
00:47:45,589 --> 00:47:43,200
shall we say controversial thinkers

1202
00:47:47,750 --> 00:47:45,599
within the field yes um i thought that

1203
00:47:50,150 --> 00:47:47,760
you would be a a good guest having the

1204
00:47:53,430 --> 00:47:50,160
show because quite frankly a lot of our

1205
00:47:55,589 --> 00:47:53,440
audience uh we find has also

1206
00:47:57,430 --> 00:47:55,599
expressed uh some

1207
00:47:59,430 --> 00:47:57,440
dissatisfaction in

1208
00:48:01,349 --> 00:47:59,440
you know the mundane sort of

1209
00:48:03,510 --> 00:48:01,359
pop culture view of

1210
00:48:05,750 --> 00:48:03,520
of these mysteries and uh

1211
00:48:07,910 --> 00:48:05,760
so i'd like to get in and and start

1212
00:48:09,270 --> 00:48:07,920
talking about your book um i i find it

1213
00:48:12,470 --> 00:48:09,280
fascinating that

1214
00:48:14,790 --> 00:48:12,480
someone such as yourself

1215
00:48:16,550 --> 00:48:14,800
would feel confident enough to publicly

1216
00:48:17,430 --> 00:48:16,560
go ahead and associate themselves with

1217
00:48:18,710 --> 00:48:17,440
these

1218
00:48:20,470 --> 00:48:18,720
subjects so

1219
00:48:22,470 --> 00:48:20,480
what got you interested in writing the

1220
00:48:24,549 --> 00:48:22,480
book and how did you how did your

1221
00:48:26,630 --> 00:48:24,559
thinking uh get altered to the point

1222
00:48:29,430 --> 00:48:26,640
where you felt you had enough material

1223
00:48:31,030 --> 00:48:29,440
to actually devote to a book of this of

1224
00:48:32,309 --> 00:48:31,040
this uh from this

1225
00:48:35,190 --> 00:48:32,319
perspective

1226
00:48:37,990 --> 00:48:35,200
yeah and by the way yeah a lot of the uh

1227
00:48:40,630 --> 00:48:38,000
a lot of the ideas that i have in my

1228
00:48:43,910 --> 00:48:40,640
books they they do look very much like

1229
00:48:46,230 --> 00:48:43,920
uh like jacques valles types of ideas

1230
00:48:48,790 --> 00:48:46,240
about uh extra

1231
00:48:51,030 --> 00:48:48,800
about alien visitors basically not being

1232
00:48:52,630 --> 00:48:51,040
physical not being physical at all but

1233
00:48:53,910 --> 00:48:52,640
being actually

1234
00:48:56,549 --> 00:48:53,920
more like

1235
00:48:58,470 --> 00:48:56,559
extra dimensional phenomena

1236
00:49:01,349 --> 00:48:58,480
and that's that's what i believe the

1237
00:49:02,710 --> 00:49:01,359
case is and i'll tell you what's funny

1238
00:49:06,069 --> 00:49:02,720
is that

1239
00:49:08,870 --> 00:49:06,079
where i originally got and my books uh

1240
00:49:11,430 --> 00:49:08,880
my books uh the extra dimensionals

1241
00:49:13,670 --> 00:49:11,440
anybody can uh go on my facebook and get

1242
00:49:16,470 --> 00:49:13,680
the first 50 pages for free and just

1243
00:49:18,710 --> 00:49:16,480
read the first 50 pages just going on

1244
00:49:21,190 --> 00:49:18,720
john d'souza facebook scroll down a

1245
00:49:23,030 --> 00:49:21,200
little bit you can get uh both of either

1246
00:49:24,630 --> 00:49:23,040
of my books both of my books you can

1247
00:49:27,030 --> 00:49:24,640
just read the first 50 pages which

1248
00:49:28,069 --> 00:49:27,040
contains a lot of these references

1249
00:49:29,430 --> 00:49:28,079
and

1250
00:49:32,549 --> 00:49:29,440
for instance

1251
00:49:35,430 --> 00:49:32,559
i got i first got the ideas

1252
00:49:37,589 --> 00:49:35,440
for my books amazingly enough it was

1253
00:49:41,190 --> 00:49:37,599
it's not from jacques villa as brilliant

1254
00:49:43,589 --> 00:49:41,200
as he is and i i love him as a as a

1255
00:49:45,750 --> 00:49:43,599
thinker and a writer

1256
00:49:48,390 --> 00:49:45,760
but it was actually the first place i

1257
00:49:51,910 --> 00:49:48,400
got these these ideas from

1258
00:49:55,349 --> 00:49:51,920
was from the fbi believe it or not

1259
00:49:58,630 --> 00:49:55,359
and it's particularly a document

1260
00:50:01,430 --> 00:49:58,640
written by an fbi supervisor

1261
00:50:02,950 --> 00:50:01,440
from long time ago it's which i refer to

1262
00:50:04,069 --> 00:50:02,960
as the smoking gun

1263
00:50:06,549 --> 00:50:04,079
document

1264
00:50:08,710 --> 00:50:06,559
and what's crazy about this is of course

1265
00:50:10,710 --> 00:50:08,720
it's featured in my book i i explain it

1266
00:50:13,349 --> 00:50:10,720
i go through it i examine it and i show

1267
00:50:15,510 --> 00:50:13,359
it in my book very carefully for people

1268
00:50:17,349 --> 00:50:15,520
but what's crazy about this is anyone

1269
00:50:19,829 --> 00:50:17,359
can look at this document and download

1270
00:50:23,270 --> 00:50:19,839
it and get it themselves it's at

1271
00:50:28,630 --> 00:50:25,670
and that is the repository for all

1272
00:50:31,430 --> 00:50:28,640
declassified documents from the fbi

1273
00:50:33,510 --> 00:50:31,440
and in it and anybody can go on there

1274
00:50:36,230 --> 00:50:33,520
and they can go down to the tab

1275
00:50:40,150 --> 00:50:36,240
this repository has documents on cattle

1276
00:50:42,870 --> 00:50:40,160
mutilations on ufos on jimmy hoffa

1277
00:50:44,950 --> 00:50:42,880
disappearance on the jfk assassination

1278
00:50:45,910 --> 00:50:44,960
there's documents on anything you can

1279
00:50:48,150 --> 00:50:45,920
imagine

1280
00:50:51,349 --> 00:50:48,160
and they're all downloadable they're all

1281
00:50:53,750 --> 00:50:51,359
free and anybody can get them

1282
00:50:54,950 --> 00:50:53,760
the stuff that the fbi has there on all

1283
00:50:57,829 --> 00:50:54,960
these subjects

1284
00:50:59,910 --> 00:50:57,839
anything equivalent to a smoking gun or

1285
00:51:00,790 --> 00:50:59,920
a questionable piece of information that

1286
00:51:03,109 --> 00:51:00,800
doesn't

1287
00:51:05,510 --> 00:51:03,119
take the conventional wisdom

1288
00:51:08,549 --> 00:51:05,520
on these subjects we'll find out more

1289
00:51:10,950 --> 00:51:08,559
we're talking to john de souza and this

1290
00:51:13,190 --> 00:51:10,960
is going to be a fascinating show and

1291
00:51:14,710 --> 00:51:13,200
of course he's got this government

1292
00:51:16,309 --> 00:51:14,720
background

1293
00:51:18,230 --> 00:51:16,319
that certainly has

1294
00:51:19,750 --> 00:51:18,240
a lot of significance and he's got a

1295
00:51:21,349 --> 00:51:19,760
recent book called the extra

1296
00:51:22,630 --> 00:51:21,359
dimensionals

1297
00:51:24,950 --> 00:51:22,640
and we're starting to cover that in more

1298
00:51:27,030 --> 00:51:24,960
detail we actually have a few questions

1299
00:51:29,589 --> 00:51:27,040
from someone in our audience who's one

1300
00:51:31,750 --> 00:51:29,599
of our forum managers on the powercast

1301
00:51:33,430 --> 00:51:31,760
forums who happens to be a skeptic

1302
00:51:36,790 --> 00:51:33,440
so we're going to see how he handles

1303
00:51:38,870 --> 00:51:36,800
that in the meantime you're on with gene

1304
00:51:48,829 --> 00:51:38,880
and chris of course john de souza our

1305
00:51:54,030 --> 00:51:53,190
pyracast thank you for listening to gcn

1306
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1307
00:52:02,950 --> 00:52:01,349
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1308
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1309
00:52:07,990 --> 00:52:05,520
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1310
00:52:10,309 --> 00:52:08,000
nightmares nightmares of a horrific

1311
00:52:12,150 --> 00:52:10,319
battle in deep space and of a mysterious

1312
00:52:13,750 --> 00:52:12,160
woman suffering in agony for her

1313
00:52:15,589 --> 00:52:13,760
devastated world

1314
00:52:19,270 --> 00:52:15,599
a woman not yet born

1315
00:52:20,150 --> 00:52:19,280
calling across centuries to him

1316
00:52:22,470 --> 00:52:20,160
then

1317
00:52:25,510 --> 00:52:22,480
a coincidence leads him to his destiny

1318
00:52:27,589 --> 00:52:25,520
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1319
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1320
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1322
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1324
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1325
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1326
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1330
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1331
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1332
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1333
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1334
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1335
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1337
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1338
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1339
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1340
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1344
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1345
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1346
00:53:37,430 --> 00:53:35,440
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1347
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1352
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1355
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[Applause]

1357
00:54:14,069 --> 00:54:10,400
welcome back to the paracast the gold

1358
00:54:15,270 --> 00:54:14,079
standard of paranormal radio

1359
00:54:18,600 --> 00:54:15,280
and now

1360
00:54:22,790 --> 00:54:18,610
here's gene steinberg

1361
00:54:26,390 --> 00:54:24,630
with john d'souza

1362
00:54:28,549 --> 00:54:26,400
former fbi agent

1363
00:54:31,109 --> 00:54:28,559
we're talking about

1364
00:54:33,430 --> 00:54:31,119
the public repository

1365
00:54:35,589 --> 00:54:33,440
of information from the fbi

1366
00:54:37,990 --> 00:54:35,599
john anything questionable or a

1367
00:54:40,230 --> 00:54:38,000
potential smoking gun there or would you

1368
00:54:42,309 --> 00:54:40,240
think they would have kept that hidden

1369
00:54:43,750 --> 00:54:42,319
well this one this particular document

1370
00:54:45,589 --> 00:54:43,760
i'm talking about

1371
00:54:47,030 --> 00:54:45,599
probably should have been kept hidden

1372
00:54:50,710 --> 00:54:47,040
because it is

1373
00:54:52,950 --> 00:54:50,720
it is off the charts and it is

1374
00:54:53,990 --> 00:54:52,960
pretty out there it's pretty out there

1375
00:54:55,910 --> 00:54:54,000
and

1376
00:54:57,670 --> 00:54:55,920
it's amazing to me that they actually

1377
00:54:59,349 --> 00:54:57,680
did put this out

1378
00:55:01,750 --> 00:54:59,359
and that it is it is out there and

1379
00:55:03,270 --> 00:55:01,760
available to people i i still have a

1380
00:55:04,470 --> 00:55:03,280
hard time believing it even though i put

1381
00:55:06,870 --> 00:55:04,480
it in my book

1382
00:55:08,549 --> 00:55:06,880
and i make it available to people

1383
00:55:10,630 --> 00:55:08,559
wherever i can

1384
00:55:13,109 --> 00:55:10,640
and it's also the most downloaded

1385
00:55:15,589 --> 00:55:13,119
document in the history of government

1386
00:55:17,190 --> 00:55:15,599
archives it's been downloaded over 3

1387
00:55:18,470 --> 00:55:17,200
million times

1388
00:55:21,190 --> 00:55:18,480
around the world

1389
00:55:24,390 --> 00:55:21,200
so people do know about it but i mean it

1390
00:55:26,309 --> 00:55:24,400
should be on television every single day

1391
00:55:28,790 --> 00:55:26,319
because of what it says

1392
00:55:31,829 --> 00:55:28,800
this document is uh it's titled like i

1393
00:55:33,589 --> 00:55:31,839
said you go to vault.fbi.gov

1394
00:55:36,870 --> 00:55:33,599
on the right there's a tab that says

1395
00:55:39,990 --> 00:55:36,880
unexplained phenomena you click on that

1396
00:55:42,470 --> 00:55:40,000
then on the left there's the word ufo

1397
00:55:44,549 --> 00:55:42,480
and you click on that ufo and then

1398
00:55:46,790 --> 00:55:44,559
groups of documents will appear and the

1399
00:55:50,950 --> 00:55:46,800
one on the left side

1400
00:55:53,349 --> 00:55:50,960
it says 1947 ufo part one

1401
00:55:57,510 --> 00:55:53,359
and then you click on that

1402
00:55:59,510 --> 00:55:57,520
and then you go to page 22 of 69 page 22

1403
00:56:01,990 --> 00:55:59,520
and on page 22

1404
00:56:05,430 --> 00:56:02,000
there is this document that is titled a

1405
00:56:07,430 --> 00:56:05,440
memorandum of importance dated july 8th

1406
00:56:10,390 --> 00:56:07,440
1947

1407
00:56:13,430 --> 00:56:10,400
and what it says is it says

1408
00:56:15,270 --> 00:56:13,440
it says uh this guy is with the fbi he's

1409
00:56:18,870 --> 00:56:15,280
a former scientist

1410
00:56:22,309 --> 00:56:18,880
and he is writing this document as an

1411
00:56:24,789 --> 00:56:22,319
emergency broadcast to the scientific

1412
00:56:26,069 --> 00:56:24,799
community which he was a part of a short

1413
00:56:29,510 --> 00:56:26,079
time before

1414
00:56:32,549 --> 00:56:29,520
and he says here i have an informant

1415
00:56:33,829 --> 00:56:32,559
he says my informant is super normal

1416
00:56:35,990 --> 00:56:33,839
super normal

1417
00:56:38,390 --> 00:56:36,000
supernova is just an old-timey word for

1418
00:56:39,990 --> 00:56:38,400
supernatural and because of the context

1419
00:56:41,829 --> 00:56:40,000
doesn't look like his informant is a

1420
00:56:43,430 --> 00:56:41,839
ghost looks like his informant is

1421
00:56:45,670 --> 00:56:43,440
actually

1422
00:56:47,349 --> 00:56:45,680
something to do with an alien visitor

1423
00:56:49,030 --> 00:56:47,359
and he says because of who my informant

1424
00:56:50,950 --> 00:56:49,040
is a lot of scientists will not believe

1425
00:56:53,430 --> 00:56:50,960
what i'm saying what i'm about to say

1426
00:56:55,109 --> 00:56:53,440
but i still have to advise them because

1427
00:56:56,829 --> 00:56:55,119
it's the right thing to do

1428
00:56:59,990 --> 00:56:56,839
and then he says here these are the

1429
00:57:02,630 --> 00:57:00,000
conclusions that come from my informant

1430
00:57:04,390 --> 00:57:02,640
and i'm letting you guys know and he has

1431
00:57:06,470 --> 00:57:04,400
seven or eight he has about eight

1432
00:57:08,630 --> 00:57:06,480
conclusions written down here

1433
00:57:11,190 --> 00:57:08,640
the most important of which of course is

1434
00:57:14,789 --> 00:57:11,200
he says alien visitors

1435
00:57:16,950 --> 00:57:14,799
are not physical they are not physical

1436
00:57:19,670 --> 00:57:16,960
he says they are from other

1437
00:57:20,950 --> 00:57:19,680
dimensions outside of our physical time

1438
00:57:23,349 --> 00:57:20,960
and space

1439
00:57:25,750 --> 00:57:23,359
he says they they appear they they exist

1440
00:57:28,950 --> 00:57:25,760
in other and he uses the old vedic term

1441
00:57:30,950 --> 00:57:28,960
locas they exist in other locus which is

1442
00:57:33,349 --> 00:57:30,960
levels of existence

1443
00:57:36,150 --> 00:57:33,359
that never intersect with ours

1444
00:57:37,750 --> 00:57:36,160
and he says they change their vibration

1445
00:57:40,309 --> 00:57:37,760
in order to

1446
00:57:41,829 --> 00:57:40,319
match our physical vibration for short

1447
00:57:43,589 --> 00:57:41,839
periods of time and that's how they

1448
00:57:45,750 --> 00:57:43,599
materialize here

1449
00:57:48,069 --> 00:57:45,760
and then he says and then eventually

1450
00:57:50,870 --> 00:57:48,079
they dematerialize and go back to their

1451
00:57:52,549 --> 00:57:50,880
own dimension of time and space

1452
00:57:55,109 --> 00:57:52,559
he also says

1453
00:57:56,309 --> 00:57:55,119
ufos are or ufos are there's nobody

1454
00:57:58,630 --> 00:57:56,319
inside of them

1455
00:58:00,150 --> 00:57:58,640
there's nobody in there he says ufos

1456
00:58:03,030 --> 00:58:00,160
come here the same way that the alien

1457
00:58:05,750 --> 00:58:03,040
visitors do and he says there's no one

1458
00:58:07,349 --> 00:58:05,760
inside he says he also says they're not

1459
00:58:08,870 --> 00:58:07,359
made of metal they're made out of some

1460
00:58:11,030 --> 00:58:08,880
kind of radiant

1461
00:58:13,190 --> 00:58:11,040
material that we could understand this

1462
00:58:15,670 --> 00:58:13,200
plasma that's probably the closest

1463
00:58:17,030 --> 00:58:15,680
understanding we would have uh he also

1464
00:58:19,430 --> 00:58:17,040
says that

1465
00:58:22,870 --> 00:58:19,440
they are here for peaceful purposes to

1466
00:58:24,390 --> 00:58:22,880
see if they can settle here permanent he

1467
00:58:25,190 --> 00:58:24,400
says that's what they're trying to find

1468
00:58:27,750 --> 00:58:25,200
out

1469
00:58:29,510 --> 00:58:27,760
and he also says because of their

1470
00:58:32,950 --> 00:58:29,520
incredibly advanced technology it would

1471
00:58:34,470 --> 00:58:32,960
be a tragedy if our air force ever

1472
00:58:36,630 --> 00:58:34,480
attacks them

1473
00:58:39,270 --> 00:58:36,640
and what's funny is uh shortly after

1474
00:58:42,470 --> 00:58:39,280
this document was sent out

1475
00:58:45,349 --> 00:58:42,480
we see in 1952

1476
00:58:47,349 --> 00:58:45,359
the uh invasion of washington dc the

1477
00:58:48,950 --> 00:58:47,359
airspace over the capital well we see

1478
00:58:50,870 --> 00:58:48,960
what happened when it was the first and

1479
00:58:54,230 --> 00:58:50,880
only time the u.s air force was sent

1480
00:58:57,589 --> 00:58:54,240
after a bunch of ufos and it was it was

1481
00:59:00,230 --> 00:58:57,599
a tragedy it was very uh it was

1482
00:59:02,870 --> 00:59:00,240
definitely a tragedy the ufos were

1483
00:59:05,109 --> 00:59:02,880
were and anybody can look this up 1952

1484
00:59:08,390 --> 00:59:05,119
the ninth the washington dc invasion of

1485
00:59:10,950 --> 00:59:08,400
several ufos that were over the uh over

1486
00:59:13,430 --> 00:59:10,960
the capital building airspace type area

1487
00:59:16,390 --> 00:59:13,440
and that went on for almost two weeks

1488
00:59:18,549 --> 00:59:16,400
and it was terribly embarrassing our

1489
00:59:20,390 --> 00:59:18,559
jets were sent out there after them and

1490
00:59:22,789 --> 00:59:20,400
it was the first and only time western

1491
00:59:26,630 --> 00:59:22,799
world an air force entire air force was

1492
00:59:28,710 --> 00:59:26,640
sent after ufos and these ufos did loops

1493
00:59:31,030 --> 00:59:28,720
around the our planes they did face to

1494
00:59:33,109 --> 00:59:31,040
faces they did buzzing up and below

1495
00:59:34,470 --> 00:59:33,119
below and above and they made it very

1496
00:59:37,430 --> 00:59:34,480
clear they could have destroyed every

1497
00:59:40,150 --> 00:59:37,440
single airplane that was sent after them

1498
00:59:42,069 --> 00:59:40,160
but they didn't they did not excuse me

1499
00:59:44,950 --> 00:59:42,079
how did they make that clear

1500
00:59:47,510 --> 00:59:44,960
because when you're able to be face to

1501
00:59:49,670 --> 00:59:47,520
face with a plane that is chasing you

1502
00:59:52,230 --> 00:59:49,680
and be able to be above or below it and

1503
00:59:54,309 --> 00:59:52,240
make maneuvers around it

1504
00:59:56,230 --> 00:59:54,319
then that means you could very easily

1505
00:59:57,990 --> 00:59:56,240
destroy that plane at any moment that

1506
00:59:59,750 --> 00:59:58,000
you want to

1507
01:00:02,549 --> 00:59:59,760
because of the maneuver superior

1508
01:00:04,870 --> 01:00:02,559
maneuverability and motions

1509
01:00:07,589 --> 01:00:04,880
uh that they had at their command and

1510
01:00:11,270 --> 01:00:07,599
that's what happened in 1952 when uh the

1511
01:00:13,109 --> 01:00:11,280
uh many many air ufos showed up over the

1512
01:00:16,069 --> 01:00:13,119
capitol building airspace there was a

1513
01:00:17,670 --> 01:00:16,079
huge government commission after that

1514
01:00:20,470 --> 01:00:17,680
to see what happened

1515
01:00:22,470 --> 01:00:20,480
it was headed by an admiral and that

1516
01:00:24,549 --> 01:00:22,480
commission of course

1517
01:00:25,990 --> 01:00:24,559
shortly after that basically decided

1518
01:00:27,829 --> 01:00:26,000
nothing happened

1519
01:00:29,910 --> 01:00:27,839
and that nothing threatening our

1520
01:00:31,829 --> 01:00:29,920
national security occurred that was

1521
01:00:34,390 --> 01:00:31,839
pretty much a farce that was done in

1522
01:00:36,549 --> 01:00:34,400
order to uh to reassure the american

1523
01:00:39,910 --> 01:00:36,559
people that basically nothing dangerous

1524
01:00:42,150 --> 01:00:39,920
had happened in 1952 over washington d.c

1525
01:00:44,549 --> 01:00:42,160
let me ask you a question here you're

1526
01:00:47,349 --> 01:00:44,559
looking at craft that is capable of

1527
01:00:49,270 --> 01:00:47,359
amazing pinpoint maneuverability part

1528
01:00:50,150 --> 01:00:49,280
and parcel of the ufo legend over the

1529
01:00:51,910 --> 01:00:50,160
years

1530
01:00:53,910 --> 01:00:51,920
but the big question here is when you

1531
01:00:55,750 --> 01:00:53,920
see these things are you really seeing

1532
01:00:57,349 --> 01:00:55,760
something that's physically there even

1533
01:00:58,470 --> 01:00:57,359
if it's manifesting from another

1534
01:01:00,630 --> 01:00:58,480
dimension

1535
01:01:03,270 --> 01:01:00,640
and converting itself or making itself

1536
01:01:04,470 --> 01:01:03,280
visible here are you really seeing it or

1537
01:01:06,710 --> 01:01:04,480
seeing

1538
01:01:08,829 --> 01:01:06,720
something that actually isn't there

1539
01:01:11,510 --> 01:01:08,839
almost like a hologram it's just an

1540
01:01:13,750 --> 01:01:11,520
image i believe it may be both because

1541
01:01:16,789 --> 01:01:13,760
you're talking uh i believe that these

1542
01:01:19,510 --> 01:01:16,799
uh these vehicles are they are like

1543
01:01:22,069 --> 01:01:19,520
plasmas they are plasmas and they are

1544
01:01:23,670 --> 01:01:22,079
you know they are in transitory state

1545
01:01:26,230 --> 01:01:23,680
and they have the ability to be in a

1546
01:01:28,309 --> 01:01:26,240
transitory state at all times so they

1547
01:01:29,670 --> 01:01:28,319
can be solid

1548
01:01:31,829 --> 01:01:29,680
for a short period of time when we're

1549
01:01:34,870 --> 01:01:31,839
looking at them and then they can go

1550
01:01:36,549 --> 01:01:34,880
back to like a flux an energy flux state

1551
01:01:39,349 --> 01:01:36,559
as well where

1552
01:01:40,789 --> 01:01:39,359
people can shoot shells at them like we

1553
01:01:43,109 --> 01:01:40,799
see what happened in the battle of los

1554
01:01:45,510 --> 01:01:43,119
angeles during world war ii

1555
01:01:46,470 --> 01:01:45,520
where we had the entire uh the entire

1556
01:01:49,510 --> 01:01:46,480
coast

1557
01:01:52,390 --> 01:01:49,520
was militarized with anti-aircraft fire

1558
01:01:55,430 --> 01:01:52,400
cannons and so forth and yet we had a

1559
01:01:58,470 --> 01:01:55,440
couple of ufos show up over los angeles

1560
01:01:59,750 --> 01:01:58,480
and we had all kinds of ordinance sent

1561
01:02:02,710 --> 01:01:59,760
up in the middle of the night because

1562
01:02:04,630 --> 01:02:02,720
everyone was very uh paranoid about

1563
01:02:07,030 --> 01:02:04,640
japanese zeroes coming into the

1564
01:02:09,270 --> 01:02:07,040
california coast at that time and as

1565
01:02:11,270 --> 01:02:09,280
soon as those ufo showed up the night

1566
01:02:13,510 --> 01:02:11,280
was lit up with ordnance anti-aircraft

1567
01:02:16,069 --> 01:02:13,520
fire that was sent up there and

1568
01:02:18,069 --> 01:02:16,079
apparently didn't didn't

1569
01:02:21,190 --> 01:02:18,079
a lot of most of the shells

1570
01:02:23,349 --> 01:02:21,200
just went right through those vehicles

1571
01:02:25,109 --> 01:02:23,359
because they were in a transitory sort

1572
01:02:27,349 --> 01:02:25,119
of flux state even though they appeared

1573
01:02:29,670 --> 01:02:27,359
physical they appeared material but

1574
01:02:31,430 --> 01:02:29,680
photos that were taken after all these

1575
01:02:33,510 --> 01:02:31,440
shells were sent up there and the only

1576
01:02:35,349 --> 01:02:33,520
casualties were not the ships it was

1577
01:02:37,430 --> 01:02:35,359
actually people a couple of people on

1578
01:02:38,710 --> 01:02:37,440
the ground were killed several people on

1579
01:02:41,430 --> 01:02:38,720
the ground were killed by these shells

1580
01:02:44,470 --> 01:02:41,440
just coming back to the ground

1581
01:02:46,309 --> 01:02:44,480
and uh after all the smoke cleared it

1582
01:02:48,549 --> 01:02:46,319
was visible that these two ufos were

1583
01:02:51,190 --> 01:02:48,559
just happily sailing off without a mark

1584
01:02:53,349 --> 01:02:51,200
on them so that was uh that's an example

1585
01:02:54,549 --> 01:02:53,359
of that i believe these things can be

1586
01:02:56,549 --> 01:02:54,559
physical

1587
01:02:58,630 --> 01:02:56,559
and for short periods of time and then

1588
01:03:02,230 --> 01:02:58,640
they can transition to

1589
01:03:03,990 --> 01:03:02,240
to this uh sort of uh just energy state

1590
01:03:05,430 --> 01:03:04,000
where nothing can really touch them

1591
01:03:06,549 --> 01:03:05,440
either

1592
01:03:09,430 --> 01:03:06,559
this is getting more and more

1593
01:03:11,030 --> 01:03:09,440
fascinating as to how these things

1594
01:03:12,549 --> 01:03:11,040
are working out

1595
01:03:14,150 --> 01:03:12,559
and i can see where you have that

1596
01:03:17,589 --> 01:03:14,160
viewpoint about

1597
01:03:19,990 --> 01:03:17,599
at least sometimes non-physical ufos

1598
01:03:21,349 --> 01:03:20,000
because the conventional theory there

1599
01:03:23,430 --> 01:03:21,359
and i'll go into that a little bit we'll

1600
01:03:24,950 --> 01:03:23,440
go into more of this in a moment because

1601
01:03:27,029 --> 01:03:24,960
we have to break shortly

1602
01:03:29,109 --> 01:03:27,039
the conventional theory has it that the

1603
01:03:31,109 --> 01:03:29,119
reason ufos seem to be less than

1604
01:03:33,510 --> 01:03:31,119
physical or capable of all these things

1605
01:03:35,750 --> 01:03:33,520
is because they are simply more advanced

1606
01:03:38,309 --> 01:03:35,760
than us thousands of years ahead of us

1607
01:03:39,430 --> 01:03:38,319
their technology would seem

1608
01:03:41,670 --> 01:03:39,440
to be

1609
01:03:43,670 --> 01:03:41,680
magical

1610
01:03:45,029 --> 01:03:43,680
we have john descriptor

1611
01:03:48,620 --> 01:03:45,039
gene and chris

1612
01:03:58,069 --> 01:03:48,630
you're in the paracast

1613
01:04:00,150 --> 01:03:58,079
[Music]

1614
01:04:02,470 --> 01:04:00,160
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1615
01:04:04,069 --> 01:04:02,480
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1616
01:04:05,430 --> 01:04:04,079
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1617
01:04:07,430 --> 01:04:05,440
never forget

1618
01:04:09,829 --> 01:04:07,440
a former us military intelligence

1619
01:04:12,390 --> 01:04:09,839
officer is haunted by intense dreams

1620
01:04:14,789 --> 01:04:12,400
about a beautiful woman pleading for his

1621
01:04:15,829 --> 01:04:14,799
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1622
01:04:17,990 --> 01:04:15,839
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1623
01:04:19,990 --> 01:04:18,000
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1624
01:04:22,710 --> 01:04:20,000
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1625
01:04:25,109 --> 01:04:22,720
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1626
01:04:27,589 --> 01:04:25,119
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1627
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1628
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[Music]

1725
01:08:27,829 --> 01:08:25,359
let's continue here so as i'm saying

1726
01:08:30,390 --> 01:08:27,839
yes you can theorize about ufos from the

1727
01:08:32,550 --> 01:08:30,400
multiverse whatever and i've done that

1728
01:08:35,030 --> 01:08:32,560
and a lot of us have done

1729
01:08:36,829 --> 01:08:35,040
things that require us to look into

1730
01:08:39,829 --> 01:08:36,839
alternate explanations for

1731
01:08:41,510 --> 01:08:39,839
ufos but if you're encountering

1732
01:08:42,630 --> 01:08:41,520
physical craft in the way we know

1733
01:08:44,309 --> 01:08:42,640
physical

1734
01:08:46,630 --> 01:08:44,319
and the technology is hundreds or

1735
01:08:48,390 --> 01:08:46,640
thousands of years ahead of us

1736
01:08:50,829 --> 01:08:48,400
don't you think they'd be capable of

1737
01:08:54,309 --> 01:08:50,839
doing things that we'd regard as

1738
01:08:56,789 --> 01:08:54,319
magical sure like arthur c clarke said

1739
01:09:00,550 --> 01:08:56,799
uh basically science that is

1740
01:09:03,030 --> 01:09:00,560
sufficiently so far advanced of us

1741
01:09:05,189 --> 01:09:03,040
of what we're what we can do would

1742
01:09:07,910 --> 01:09:05,199
appear indistinguishable to us from

1743
01:09:08,870 --> 01:09:07,920
magic yeah it would just look like magic

1744
01:09:11,030 --> 01:09:08,880
of course

1745
01:09:13,749 --> 01:09:11,040
because it's just something that is just

1746
01:09:16,149 --> 01:09:13,759
so far out of our realm that we just

1747
01:09:19,349 --> 01:09:16,159
can't understand it but that's exactly

1748
01:09:20,870 --> 01:09:19,359
why i tell people i'm always telling

1749
01:09:24,550 --> 01:09:20,880
people that

1750
01:09:26,709 --> 01:09:24,560
in ufology what we've done is we've

1751
01:09:28,870 --> 01:09:26,719
tried to humanize

1752
01:09:30,630 --> 01:09:28,880
alien visitors to a large extent and

1753
01:09:32,390 --> 01:09:30,640
that's kind of the paradigm that stayed

1754
01:09:35,110 --> 01:09:32,400
in for the last 60 years which is

1755
01:09:37,349 --> 01:09:35,120
ridiculous because they are not like

1756
01:09:40,149 --> 01:09:37,359
humans they are not cramming themselves

1757
01:09:42,390 --> 01:09:40,159
into little metal shells like rockets

1758
01:09:44,390 --> 01:09:42,400
and sailing across

1759
01:09:46,630 --> 01:09:44,400
the galaxies like we would have to they

1760
01:09:49,910 --> 01:09:46,640
don't need buses to

1761
01:09:52,149 --> 01:09:49,920
travel from one space to another like we

1762
01:09:53,349 --> 01:09:52,159
would it's just not the case they are

1763
01:09:55,669 --> 01:09:53,359
simply

1764
01:09:56,709 --> 01:09:55,679
beaming in to for lack of a better

1765
01:09:58,630 --> 01:09:56,719
phrase i mean that's probably the best

1766
01:10:01,110 --> 01:09:58,640
we can understand it they are beaming

1767
01:10:04,310 --> 01:10:01,120
themselves in to wherever they go and

1768
01:10:07,270 --> 01:10:04,320
these ufos the ufos the real ones of

1769
01:10:09,510 --> 01:10:07,280
course not the majority of ufo cases

1770
01:10:13,110 --> 01:10:09,520
that can turn out not to be credible but

1771
01:10:16,950 --> 01:10:13,120
the real ufos are also very similar to

1772
01:10:19,189 --> 01:10:16,960
alien visitors beaming themselves in and

1773
01:10:20,709 --> 01:10:19,199
they are they are accompanying alien

1774
01:10:22,870 --> 01:10:20,719
visitors kind of like

1775
01:10:25,590 --> 01:10:22,880
the way that familiars would with like

1776
01:10:27,590 --> 01:10:25,600
sorcerers they carry out they appear

1777
01:10:28,630 --> 01:10:27,600
they carry out small

1778
01:10:30,390 --> 01:10:28,640
tasks

1779
01:10:32,790 --> 01:10:30,400
for alien visitors they collect

1780
01:10:35,030 --> 01:10:32,800
information from humans they bring it

1781
01:10:36,870 --> 01:10:35,040
back to alien visitors that's from the

1782
01:10:40,149 --> 01:10:36,880
cases i've seen

1783
01:10:42,630 --> 01:10:40,159
this is what appears to be the case with

1784
01:10:45,430 --> 01:10:42,640
uh with these ufos and with alien

1785
01:10:47,430 --> 01:10:45,440
visitors as well now when we talk to

1786
01:10:49,110 --> 01:10:47,440
some people involved in ufo research

1787
01:10:50,470 --> 01:10:49,120
they believe the government knows this

1788
01:10:52,390 --> 01:10:50,480
or knows a lot

1789
01:10:54,470 --> 01:10:52,400
and if you only persuade them to

1790
01:10:56,070 --> 01:10:54,480
disclose what they know

1791
01:10:58,470 --> 01:10:56,080
all be right in the world we don't have

1792
01:11:00,229 --> 01:10:58,480
to do anything they know the answer some

1793
01:11:03,270 --> 01:11:00,239
of that goes back to the days of major

1794
01:11:06,149 --> 01:11:03,280
kehoe the silence group so do you think

1795
01:11:07,990 --> 01:11:06,159
whatever ufos are from the multiverse

1796
01:11:10,149 --> 01:11:08,000
from a civilization

1797
01:11:11,510 --> 01:11:10,159
10 000 years ahead of us whatever they

1798
01:11:13,510 --> 01:11:11,520
are

1799
01:11:15,189 --> 01:11:13,520
do the governments know

1800
01:11:16,630 --> 01:11:15,199
no no and

1801
01:11:19,430 --> 01:11:16,640
they don't know

1802
01:11:21,510 --> 01:11:19,440
you know i had occasion to uh sit and

1803
01:11:23,750 --> 01:11:21,520
talk with jacques valet

1804
01:11:25,270 --> 01:11:23,760
the other day and

1805
01:11:28,310 --> 01:11:25,280
he boiled down

1806
01:11:30,630 --> 01:11:28,320
about what i took what i took half of a

1807
01:11:32,229 --> 01:11:30,640
book to convey he boiled it down to a

1808
01:11:35,510 --> 01:11:32,239
couple of sentences and it was just

1809
01:11:37,430 --> 01:11:35,520
that's how brilliant geniuses can do

1810
01:11:38,630 --> 01:11:37,440
they can do these things

1811
01:11:39,750 --> 01:11:38,640
he said

1812
01:11:42,390 --> 01:11:39,760
basically

1813
01:11:45,270 --> 01:11:42,400
he said the governments

1814
01:11:47,669 --> 01:11:45,280
don't have anything that they can reveal

1815
01:11:48,790 --> 01:11:47,679
or disclose he says what governments

1816
01:11:50,390 --> 01:11:48,800
have

1817
01:11:52,709 --> 01:11:50,400
and government agencies of course in

1818
01:11:55,510 --> 01:11:52,719
particular he says they have mountains

1819
01:11:57,510 --> 01:11:55,520
of data they got data lots and lots of

1820
01:11:59,189 --> 01:11:57,520
data if you go to the air force right

1821
01:12:01,990 --> 01:11:59,199
now and it's true if you go to the air

1822
01:12:03,830 --> 01:12:02,000
force right now and you had the ability

1823
01:12:05,669 --> 01:12:03,840
to look at anything that they've got

1824
01:12:07,750 --> 01:12:05,679
they have mountains and mountains of

1825
01:12:09,830 --> 01:12:07,760
data on ufos

1826
01:12:11,270 --> 01:12:09,840
maybe even on alien visitors as well

1827
01:12:13,430 --> 01:12:11,280
it's all out there

1828
01:12:15,270 --> 01:12:13,440
a lot of it is probably already released

1829
01:12:17,430 --> 01:12:15,280
released on the internet because every

1830
01:12:19,110 --> 01:12:17,440
intelligence agency has been doing this

1831
01:12:21,030 --> 01:12:19,120
releasing on the internet they're

1832
01:12:24,709 --> 01:12:21,040
declassified files

1833
01:12:28,390 --> 01:12:24,719
and so yeah there's plenty of data

1834
01:12:31,910 --> 01:12:28,400
but there's no particular plan or

1835
01:12:34,229 --> 01:12:31,920
or structure knowledge that can be

1836
01:12:36,070 --> 01:12:34,239
released uh disclosed disclosed to

1837
01:12:37,669 --> 01:12:36,080
anybody in particular they just don't

1838
01:12:38,950 --> 01:12:37,679
have that and i don't and i don't

1839
01:12:41,270 --> 01:12:38,960
believe they've ever had i don't believe

1840
01:12:44,149 --> 01:12:41,280
there's anyone in government

1841
01:12:47,590 --> 01:12:44,159
that uh has that particular okay here's

1842
01:12:49,510 --> 01:12:47,600
the plan here's the here's the entire uh

1843
01:12:52,310 --> 01:12:49,520
the entire agenda

1844
01:12:53,830 --> 01:12:52,320
that i can now let you know because

1845
01:12:56,390 --> 01:12:53,840
someone's given me permission i don't

1846
01:12:59,590 --> 01:12:56,400
think that exists i just think they have

1847
01:13:01,990 --> 01:12:59,600
mountains of data that we can look at or

1848
01:13:05,030 --> 01:13:02,000
not look at but there's no structure

1849
01:13:08,550 --> 01:13:05,040
there's no there's no one there that uh

1850
01:13:10,790 --> 01:13:08,560
had the entire plan from the alien

1851
01:13:12,630 --> 01:13:10,800
visitors as to this is what we're doing

1852
01:13:14,390 --> 01:13:12,640
this is what the agenda is i don't

1853
01:13:16,149 --> 01:13:14,400
believe there's ever going to be uh

1854
01:13:18,950 --> 01:13:16,159
disclosure because of that because they

1855
01:13:21,030 --> 01:13:18,960
just don't have it to disclose there

1856
01:13:22,790 --> 01:13:21,040
will be however i do believe there will

1857
01:13:25,510 --> 01:13:22,800
be revelation

1858
01:13:27,590 --> 01:13:25,520
from the alien visitors themselves and

1859
01:13:29,669 --> 01:13:27,600
that will happen eventually probably

1860
01:13:30,550 --> 01:13:29,679
sooner than we think why do you believe

1861
01:13:33,189 --> 01:13:30,560
that

1862
01:13:36,070 --> 01:13:33,199
because we appear to be reaching a

1863
01:13:37,669 --> 01:13:36,080
crescendo of some sort we appear to be

1864
01:13:39,270 --> 01:13:37,679
reaching the point

1865
01:13:42,070 --> 01:13:39,280
where these

1866
01:13:44,149 --> 01:13:42,080
alien visitor phenomena observation

1867
01:13:46,070 --> 01:13:44,159
experiences contact experiences

1868
01:13:48,149 --> 01:13:46,080
abduction experiences they're not

1869
01:13:49,990 --> 01:13:48,159
leveling off they're not decreasing

1870
01:13:53,270 --> 01:13:50,000
they're instead they're increasing and

1871
01:13:56,630 --> 01:13:53,280
they always continue to increase and so

1872
01:13:59,669 --> 01:13:56,640
we're approaching some kind of crescendo

1873
01:14:03,350 --> 01:13:59,679
also because our technology is is

1874
01:14:06,870 --> 01:14:03,360
increasing as well and our wonderment

1875
01:14:10,149 --> 01:14:06,880
with these experiences is decreasing

1876
01:14:11,830 --> 01:14:10,159
they need to step it up they cannot

1877
01:14:14,070 --> 01:14:11,840
live without our

1878
01:14:16,390 --> 01:14:14,080
wonderment without uh without the awe

1879
01:14:18,390 --> 01:14:16,400
that we have for these experiences

1880
01:14:19,430 --> 01:14:18,400
and if that reduces they need to do

1881
01:14:21,189 --> 01:14:19,440
something

1882
01:14:23,990 --> 01:14:21,199
to increase

1883
01:14:24,790 --> 01:14:24,000
the spirit of awe and wonder that we

1884
01:14:27,030 --> 01:14:24,800
have

1885
01:14:29,350 --> 01:14:27,040
with alien visitors when it becomes

1886
01:14:31,430 --> 01:14:29,360
kind of a routine thing like uh yeah

1887
01:14:33,030 --> 01:14:31,440
that's there's a genuine ufo

1888
01:14:35,189 --> 01:14:33,040
there's uh there's

1889
01:14:37,189 --> 01:14:35,199
some alien visitors experiencing

1890
01:14:39,830 --> 01:14:37,199
something people are experiencing these

1891
01:14:43,189 --> 01:14:39,840
things and it becomes kind of like

1892
01:14:46,709 --> 01:14:43,199
ho-hum kind of like routine for us

1893
01:14:48,310 --> 01:14:46,719
then they have to increase the game

1894
01:14:49,750 --> 01:14:48,320
and i think they will

1895
01:14:51,590 --> 01:14:49,760
very very soon

1896
01:14:53,910 --> 01:14:51,600
and i think everything we've seen

1897
01:14:55,669 --> 01:14:53,920
approaches towards that reality

1898
01:14:57,189 --> 01:14:55,679
how long do you think these visitors

1899
01:14:58,550 --> 01:14:57,199
have been here then

1900
01:15:00,470 --> 01:14:58,560
oh i think

1901
01:15:02,229 --> 01:15:00,480
you know if you look back in history

1902
01:15:03,669 --> 01:15:02,239
anyone can look this up there's an

1903
01:15:06,630 --> 01:15:03,679
experience

1904
01:15:09,350 --> 01:15:06,640
that is recorded with alexander the

1905
01:15:11,030 --> 01:15:09,360
great where he was just

1906
01:15:15,910 --> 01:15:11,040
and i don't even remember what century

1907
01:15:18,630 --> 01:15:15,920
that was uh in the bc era but uh he was

1908
01:15:20,790 --> 01:15:18,640
attacking he was consolidating his power

1909
01:15:21,669 --> 01:15:20,800
in the macedonian empire

1910
01:15:25,030 --> 01:15:21,679
and

1911
01:15:27,110 --> 01:15:25,040
he was attacking one of his one of his

1912
01:15:30,550 --> 01:15:27,120
cities that he had to conquer in order

1913
01:15:33,030 --> 01:15:30,560
to consolidate his power and he was i

1914
01:15:34,870 --> 01:15:33,040
believe it was tire the city of tyre

1915
01:15:37,669 --> 01:15:34,880
that was fortified and he was attacking

1916
01:15:40,550 --> 01:15:37,679
them and there's a recording that

1917
01:15:41,750 --> 01:15:40,560
their shining shields in the sky

1918
01:15:44,550 --> 01:15:41,760
appeared

1919
01:15:47,270 --> 01:15:44,560
and started attacking alexander's troops

1920
01:15:49,510 --> 01:15:47,280
with beams of light

1921
01:15:52,390 --> 01:15:49,520
and his troops retreated they were

1922
01:15:55,110 --> 01:15:52,400
confused and then suddenly those shining

1923
01:15:57,110 --> 01:15:55,120
shields in the sky switched sides

1924
01:15:58,229 --> 01:15:57,120
and started attacking the walls of the

1925
01:16:00,630 --> 01:15:58,239
city

1926
01:16:02,950 --> 01:16:00,640
and made it possible for alexander's

1927
01:16:03,830 --> 01:16:02,960
troops to advance and take over that

1928
01:16:04,870 --> 01:16:03,840
city

1929
01:16:07,510 --> 01:16:04,880
so

1930
01:16:09,990 --> 01:16:07,520
we're talking about you know thousands

1931
01:16:12,229 --> 01:16:10,000
thousands of years now alexander the

1932
01:16:16,390 --> 01:16:12,239
great dates back to

1933
01:16:18,709 --> 01:16:16,400
the 300 bc era so we're talking here

1934
01:16:20,630 --> 01:16:18,719
about a phenomenon or something that's

1935
01:16:22,870 --> 01:16:20,640
been here 2400 years

1936
01:16:24,950 --> 01:16:22,880
but only now they're interested in maybe

1937
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making themselves known

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no i think they've been making

1939
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themselves known since they since they

1940
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uh were appearing even before recorded

1941
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history as well

1942
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let's go into that in our next segment

1943
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with john d'souza and gene and chris and

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listener questions you're in the

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2050
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2051
01:21:23,830 --> 01:21:20,880
so

2052
01:21:26,070 --> 01:21:23,840
you feel that e.t whatever

2053
01:21:27,510 --> 01:21:26,080
they or it might be have been making

2054
01:21:29,030 --> 01:21:27,520
themselves known

2055
01:21:30,870 --> 01:21:29,040
throughout history

2056
01:21:33,189 --> 01:21:30,880
so you're saying maybe if you look at

2057
01:21:35,189 --> 01:21:33,199
ufos in the bible there's

2058
01:21:37,430 --> 01:21:35,199
evidence of interactions there

2059
01:21:40,149 --> 01:21:37,440
oh yes absolutely the book of ezekiel we

2060
01:21:43,030 --> 01:21:40,159
see the description of the wheels within

2061
01:21:44,149 --> 01:21:43,040
wheels that were observed by one of the

2062
01:21:45,830 --> 01:21:44,159
prophets

2063
01:21:48,229 --> 01:21:45,840
and uh the experience that he had well

2064
01:21:51,750 --> 01:21:48,239
yeah it was ezekiel and watching these

2065
01:21:52,950 --> 01:21:51,760
things in the sky and getting messages

2066
01:21:55,590 --> 01:21:52,960
from them

2067
01:21:58,629 --> 01:21:55,600
and there's even a quote in the bible in

2068
01:22:01,350 --> 01:21:58,639
the book of ezekiel that the wheels were

2069
01:22:04,229 --> 01:22:01,360
moving on their own and there was a

2070
01:22:06,790 --> 01:22:04,239
spirit that was moving with the wheels

2071
01:22:08,870 --> 01:22:06,800
and the spirit however was outside of

2072
01:22:11,350 --> 01:22:08,880
the wheels that was manipulating the

2073
01:22:13,669 --> 01:22:11,360
wheels and there were also wheels within

2074
01:22:15,430 --> 01:22:13,679
wheels yeah this has been this has been

2075
01:22:17,189 --> 01:22:15,440
not just in the bible it's been in every

2076
01:22:19,430 --> 01:22:17,199
sacred text

2077
01:22:20,229 --> 01:22:19,440
that we've had since before recorded

2078
01:22:21,830 --> 01:22:20,239
time

2079
01:22:24,310 --> 01:22:21,840
and yeah i think this is something that

2080
01:22:26,709 --> 01:22:24,320
continues to go on and yeah because it

2081
01:22:28,950 --> 01:22:26,719
has gone on for so long and because

2082
01:22:31,830 --> 01:22:28,960
we're reaching the point where it's

2083
01:22:34,070 --> 01:22:31,840
starting to become kind of commonplace

2084
01:22:37,830 --> 01:22:34,080
i think that's why we're getting to that

2085
01:22:39,189 --> 01:22:37,840
crescendo where we are gonna get to not

2086
01:22:42,310 --> 01:22:39,199
disclosure

2087
01:22:43,590 --> 01:22:42,320
but to revelation speaking of the bible

2088
01:22:45,590 --> 01:22:43,600
right but you know we've been talking

2089
01:22:47,110 --> 01:22:45,600
about that for a long time this is the

2090
01:22:49,030 --> 01:22:47,120
year it's next year or reaching the

2091
01:22:51,350 --> 01:22:49,040
right conditions now the skeptical

2092
01:22:52,790 --> 01:22:51,360
interpretation of ezekiel's wheels is

2093
01:22:57,030 --> 01:22:52,800
that they were seeing

2094
01:22:59,830 --> 01:22:57,040
angels but then angels is a supernatural

2095
01:23:01,669 --> 01:22:59,840
phenomenon so it could be angels

2096
01:23:04,229 --> 01:23:01,679
spaceships it could be

2097
01:23:06,149 --> 01:23:04,239
anything so i'll go for that on the

2098
01:23:08,310 --> 01:23:06,159
other hand like i said they've been

2099
01:23:09,750 --> 01:23:08,320
talking about the revelations coming

2100
01:23:11,990 --> 01:23:09,760
it's coming soon

2101
01:23:12,950 --> 01:23:12,000
there's armagedd in the foot there's a

2102
01:23:15,750 --> 01:23:12,960
world

2103
01:23:18,070 --> 01:23:15,760
shaking changing experience coming and

2104
01:23:18,950 --> 01:23:18,080
never seems to happen why assume this

2105
01:23:20,550 --> 01:23:18,960
time

2106
01:23:23,590 --> 01:23:20,560
i think because if you just study the

2107
01:23:25,830 --> 01:23:23,600
cases and you study the uh in particular

2108
01:23:28,390 --> 01:23:25,840
the cases of abduction we have an

2109
01:23:29,910 --> 01:23:28,400
increase in these cases we see

2110
01:23:32,310 --> 01:23:29,920
that they are

2111
01:23:35,510 --> 01:23:32,320
increasing and our understanding of them

2112
01:23:37,510 --> 01:23:35,520
is also increasing at the same time

2113
01:23:40,229 --> 01:23:37,520
for instance we see abductions that have

2114
01:23:41,350 --> 01:23:40,239
occurred ever since 1961 when betty and

2115
01:23:44,550 --> 01:23:41,360
barney hill

2116
01:23:47,510 --> 01:23:44,560
were the first really globally known

2117
01:23:50,870 --> 01:23:47,520
classic case of alien abduction those

2118
01:23:53,430 --> 01:23:50,880
steps were established where they are

2119
01:23:56,310 --> 01:23:53,440
stalked by some kind of ufo vehicle

2120
01:23:58,790 --> 01:23:56,320
their car is chased and stalked then

2121
01:24:01,510 --> 01:23:58,800
they themselves are acquired by these

2122
01:24:03,910 --> 01:24:01,520
alien visitors they exercise command and

2123
01:24:05,830 --> 01:24:03,920
control over them then they do these

2124
01:24:08,149 --> 01:24:05,840
medical they transport them to this

2125
01:24:10,070 --> 01:24:08,159
medical facility and then do these

2126
01:24:12,390 --> 01:24:10,080
experiments on them it was not a

2127
01:24:14,470 --> 01:24:12,400
positive experience for them

2128
01:24:15,910 --> 01:24:14,480
and it was very it was actually very

2129
01:24:18,629 --> 01:24:15,920
negative haunted them for the rest of

2130
01:24:21,030 --> 01:24:18,639
their lives all right you're taking here

2131
01:24:23,270 --> 01:24:21,040
the possibility of abductions is a

2132
01:24:24,709 --> 01:24:23,280
physical experience or encounter

2133
01:24:27,030 --> 01:24:24,719
with aliens

2134
01:24:28,950 --> 01:24:27,040
exactly as described and i should point

2135
01:24:29,590 --> 01:24:28,960
out that barney and betty hill is kind

2136
01:24:31,669 --> 01:24:29,600
of

2137
01:24:33,990 --> 01:24:31,679
different we didn't see the traditional

2138
01:24:36,550 --> 01:24:34,000
gray aliens in abductions

2139
01:24:38,390 --> 01:24:36,560
probably until the whitley strieber

2140
01:24:39,430 --> 01:24:38,400
book communion that kind of set the

2141
01:24:41,430 --> 01:24:39,440
stage

2142
01:24:44,149 --> 01:24:41,440
the hills didn't have that but you're

2143
01:24:46,070 --> 01:24:44,159
assuming then that all these experiences

2144
01:24:48,070 --> 01:24:46,080
with these primitive

2145
01:24:51,510 --> 01:24:48,080
examinations physical examinations

2146
01:24:53,430 --> 01:24:51,520
sometimes painful are as described and

2147
01:24:55,430 --> 01:24:53,440
i'll just throw out a red herring for

2148
01:24:56,550 --> 01:24:55,440
you you'd have to read our forums or

2149
01:24:59,270 --> 01:24:56,560
listen to

2150
01:25:01,830 --> 01:24:59,280
an appearance on the power cast by a guy

2151
01:25:04,629 --> 01:25:01,840
named named miguel who's runs by the

2152
01:25:06,790 --> 01:25:04,639
name of red pill junkie online and he

2153
01:25:07,830 --> 01:25:06,800
suggested that there's a resemblance

2154
01:25:10,229 --> 01:25:07,840
between

2155
01:25:12,550 --> 01:25:10,239
the abduction experience and a

2156
01:25:14,709 --> 01:25:12,560
near-death experience

2157
01:25:17,110 --> 01:25:14,719
but that's the case why i assume it's

2158
01:25:19,510 --> 01:25:17,120
the result of an encounter by e.t

2159
01:25:21,510 --> 01:25:19,520
besides which why would etf do the same

2160
01:25:23,350 --> 01:25:21,520
silly thing over and over again how many

2161
01:25:25,510 --> 01:25:23,360
samples of humans do they need before

2162
01:25:28,470 --> 01:25:25,520
they have enough samples oh that's an

2163
01:25:30,550 --> 01:25:28,480
excellent question i mean yeah if you

2164
01:25:31,510 --> 01:25:30,560
figure these abductions have been

2165
01:25:34,229 --> 01:25:31,520
occurring

2166
01:25:36,149 --> 01:25:34,239
probably much before 1961 you know

2167
01:25:38,149 --> 01:25:36,159
probably for a very long time and they

2168
01:25:40,390 --> 01:25:38,159
continue to go on

2169
01:25:41,189 --> 01:25:40,400
how much human material do they really

2170
01:25:42,870 --> 01:25:41,199
need

2171
01:25:44,470 --> 01:25:42,880
well one of the things i do is i always

2172
01:25:45,750 --> 01:25:44,480
do an examination

2173
01:25:48,470 --> 01:25:45,760
where i

2174
01:25:51,189 --> 01:25:48,480
actually say the very controversial uh

2175
01:25:53,590 --> 01:25:51,199
saying that alien abductions are

2176
01:25:55,669 --> 01:25:53,600
actually a fraud and the reason i say

2177
01:25:57,510 --> 01:25:55,679
that is not because they're not true but

2178
01:26:00,070 --> 01:25:57,520
actually because they are true and if

2179
01:26:02,149 --> 01:26:00,080
you think about their technology

2180
01:26:04,070 --> 01:26:02,159
then all these steps that are involved

2181
01:26:07,750 --> 01:26:04,080
with every classic abduction the

2182
01:26:10,070 --> 01:26:07,760
stalking the uh pursuit the acquiring of

2183
01:26:12,790 --> 01:26:10,080
the individuals from their car from

2184
01:26:14,870 --> 01:26:12,800
their home the command and control if

2185
01:26:17,030 --> 01:26:14,880
we're assuming that these abduction

2186
01:26:19,669 --> 01:26:17,040
experiences are absolutely true

2187
01:26:21,510 --> 01:26:19,679
and all these steps that they go up to

2188
01:26:23,990 --> 01:26:21,520
what is the need for them if you really

2189
01:26:25,750 --> 01:26:24,000
think about their technology really the

2190
01:26:28,390 --> 01:26:25,760
only important step is the final step

2191
01:26:32,390 --> 01:26:28,400
the collection of human material the

2192
01:26:34,790 --> 01:26:32,400
cells the tissue the sperm ova that's

2193
01:26:36,709 --> 01:26:34,800
the important step in this they really

2194
01:26:38,390 --> 01:26:36,719
don't need these other steps because

2195
01:26:40,390 --> 01:26:38,400
with their technology they could

2196
01:26:42,390 --> 01:26:40,400
actually show up at a stadium

2197
01:26:44,550 --> 01:26:42,400
collect all they could and apparently

2198
01:26:46,149 --> 01:26:44,560
they can manipulate time as well they

2199
01:26:47,350 --> 01:26:46,159
could actually show up at a stadium or

2200
01:26:49,750 --> 01:26:47,360
any place where there's lots of people

2201
01:26:51,910 --> 01:26:49,760
gathered and they could collect all the

2202
01:26:53,270 --> 01:26:51,920
human material they want and disappear

2203
01:26:54,070 --> 01:26:53,280
and no one would even know they were

2204
01:26:56,870 --> 01:26:54,080
there

2205
01:26:58,629 --> 01:26:56,880
okay so why do we take the abduction

2206
01:27:00,149 --> 01:26:58,639
experience seriously if they can do that

2207
01:27:02,550 --> 01:27:00,159
nobody knows

2208
01:27:04,870 --> 01:27:02,560
right why would they abduct individuals

2209
01:27:07,030 --> 01:27:04,880
and put them through all this yes why

2210
01:27:08,709 --> 01:27:07,040
assume the memories these people report

2211
01:27:10,950 --> 01:27:08,719
are not false i mean

2212
01:27:13,669 --> 01:27:10,960
they talk about for example screen

2213
01:27:15,830 --> 01:27:13,679
memories we see owls or something and

2214
01:27:17,990 --> 01:27:15,840
that signifies the abduction and one

2215
01:27:20,870 --> 01:27:18,000
point i've made over the years and other

2216
01:27:22,870 --> 01:27:20,880
people do as well is that maybe the

2217
01:27:24,870 --> 01:27:22,880
abduction itself is the screen memory

2218
01:27:26,709 --> 01:27:24,880
for something else that happened and may

2219
01:27:29,510 --> 01:27:26,719
have nothing to do with getting physical

2220
01:27:32,950 --> 01:27:29,520
samples right well i would invite people

2221
01:27:35,669 --> 01:27:32,960
to actually go and see the interviews

2222
01:27:37,750 --> 01:27:35,679
from betty and barney hill both before

2223
01:27:40,470 --> 01:27:37,760
the hypnosis removed the screen memories

2224
01:27:42,790 --> 01:27:40,480
and then even after oh yeah we've all

2225
01:27:44,950 --> 01:27:42,800
done that we've all read that book and i

2226
01:27:48,070 --> 01:27:44,960
met betty hill a few times and we've

2227
01:27:49,990 --> 01:27:48,080
interviewed her niece kathleen martin

2228
01:27:50,709 --> 01:27:50,000
right who's an abduction investigator

2229
01:27:52,870 --> 01:27:50,719
right

2230
01:27:53,830 --> 01:27:52,880
a number of times so we've heard all

2231
01:27:56,229 --> 01:27:53,840
this

2232
01:27:58,229 --> 01:27:56,239
but when we're still assuming

2233
01:27:59,590 --> 01:27:58,239
that the experience that the hills

2234
01:28:01,910 --> 01:27:59,600
reported

2235
01:28:03,750 --> 01:28:01,920
accurately represents it and there are a

2236
01:28:05,510 --> 01:28:03,760
lot of strange things about that like

2237
01:28:07,750 --> 01:28:05,520
this alleged star map

2238
01:28:09,910 --> 01:28:07,760
for example that they've interpreted as

2239
01:28:11,669 --> 01:28:09,920
showing this is where ichi comes from

2240
01:28:12,550 --> 01:28:11,679
but you and i know

2241
01:28:16,709 --> 01:28:12,560
that

2242
01:28:19,030 --> 01:28:16,719
because even today

2243
01:28:21,270 --> 01:28:19,040
if e.t is going somewhere else they're

2244
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not using a star map and we don't know

2245
01:28:26,470 --> 01:28:23,840
what they do 2000 years from now that's

2246
01:28:29,350 --> 01:28:26,480
a red herring why take it seriously

2247
01:28:32,709 --> 01:28:29,360
but wasn't the star map then charted out

2248
01:28:35,030 --> 01:28:32,719
by betty hill after after she underwent

2249
01:28:39,070 --> 01:28:35,040
hypnosis no it was just charted out by

2250
01:28:41,590 --> 01:28:39,080
marjorie fish school teacher again using

2251
01:28:43,910 --> 01:28:41,600
1960s perspectives

2252
01:28:45,830 --> 01:28:43,920
okay right but later it was filled in

2253
01:28:46,950 --> 01:28:45,840
with the actual names of the stars and

2254
01:28:48,629 --> 01:28:46,960
the names of the system that doesn't

2255
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mean that this is where they come from

2256
01:28:53,189 --> 01:28:50,639
or even that it wasn't a show for their

2257
01:28:55,750 --> 01:28:53,199
benefit okay yeah i assume this is where

2258
01:28:58,070 --> 01:28:55,760
they come from that doesn't even no i i

2259
01:29:00,790 --> 01:28:58,080
don't because like i said i don't

2260
01:29:02,070 --> 01:29:00,800
believe alien visitors are from our uh

2261
01:29:04,470 --> 01:29:02,080
time and space i don't believe they're

2262
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from the galaxies across the way or

2263
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anything like that i believe the alien

2264
01:29:09,990 --> 01:29:07,840
visitors are actually from other

2265
01:29:12,790 --> 01:29:10,000
dimensions i have nothing to do with

2266
01:29:16,390 --> 01:29:12,800
these galaxies but i do believe that

2267
01:29:18,950 --> 01:29:16,400
they provided that star chart to betty

2268
01:29:20,950 --> 01:29:18,960
hill uh and gave it to her whether that

2269
01:29:22,790 --> 01:29:20,960
was a deception or not there's a

2270
01:29:25,669 --> 01:29:22,800
different issue but i did someone

2271
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provided it and the reason i say someone

2272
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is because we forget that the government

2273
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has over the years done a lot of strange

2274
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experiments with people in fact there is

2275
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a theory now which is not an unpopular

2276
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theory

2277
01:29:38,550 --> 01:29:36,880
that what happened at roswell was not

2278
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the crash of a spaceship

2279
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but represented

2280
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the sad result of some human

2281
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experimentation involving balloons

2282
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all right so roswell was not what it

2283
01:29:52,870 --> 01:29:51,040
seems to be and kevin randle who studied

2284
01:29:55,350 --> 01:29:52,880
roswell for 30 years

2285
01:29:57,110 --> 01:29:55,360
determined after all this investigation

2286
01:29:58,709 --> 01:29:57,120
that the original evidence that it was a

2287
01:30:01,990 --> 01:29:58,719
spaceship they were

2288
01:30:03,910 --> 01:30:02,000
bodies recovered he can't really confirm

2289
01:30:06,390 --> 01:30:03,920
that anymore only that something

2290
01:30:08,470 --> 01:30:06,400
happened at roswell we don't know what

2291
01:30:10,310 --> 01:30:08,480
it was and again

2292
01:30:12,709 --> 01:30:10,320
we're trying to take something literally

2293
01:30:14,550 --> 01:30:12,719
that we really don't know anything about

2294
01:30:16,709 --> 01:30:14,560
was for example the betty and barney

2295
01:30:19,270 --> 01:30:16,719
hill affair because they lived near

2296
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a government installation and they had

2297
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friends in the government was it

2298
01:30:24,070 --> 01:30:22,000
possible

2299
01:30:26,149 --> 01:30:24,080
that was also something

2300
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that was really a mind control

2301
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experiment and not a physical event

2302
01:30:33,189 --> 01:30:31,040
involving encounters with e.t we got

2303
01:30:34,709 --> 01:30:33,199
more to come with john de souza i'm

2304
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raising a few skeptical points here and

2305
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i want to see his answer and we have

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questions from the listeners that chris

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will ask in our next segment with jean

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hey this is marie d jones the author of

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this book is from the future

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and you are listening to the paracast

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okay before we get to the questions john

2415
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de souza you see the skeptical points

2416
01:35:30,390 --> 01:35:29,040
i'm raising not because i'm necessarily

2417
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a skeptic but

2418
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what we have accepted in the ufo field

2419
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before

2420
01:35:39,189 --> 01:35:37,360
may not be quite what we thought it was

2421
01:35:41,189 --> 01:35:39,199
no you don't have to tell me about that

2422
01:35:45,350 --> 01:35:41,199
that's for sure i i definitely believe

2423
01:35:47,510 --> 01:35:45,360
that uh roswell was a deception

2424
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but from a different angle than what you

2425
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just stated i believe that uh roswell

2426
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and i talk about this extensively in my

2427
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book

2428
01:35:56,310 --> 01:35:54,480
i believe that roswell was a double

2429
01:35:59,110 --> 01:35:56,320
trick however i believe it was put

2430
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together by alien visitors

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with along with the elite powers in

2432
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control who work together to create this

2433
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illusion

2434
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with these bodies as well as this

2435
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whatever these remnants were of these of

2436
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these supposed ships

2437
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and i believe the entire operation was

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put together for the very important

2439
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purpose

2440
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of making people believe that alien

2441
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visitors are completely physical

2442
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completely physical just like you or i

2443
01:36:29,830 --> 01:36:27,600
and they can just get into a car or a

2444
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bus or whatever and just crash and end

2445
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up a couple of dead bodies by the side

2446
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of the road just like any humans could

2447
01:36:37,990 --> 01:36:35,440
that's part of what i'm talking about

2448
01:36:40,950 --> 01:36:38,000
the humanizing the unjustified

2449
01:36:43,430 --> 01:36:40,960
humanizing of the alien visitor uh

2450
01:36:44,870 --> 01:36:43,440
situation that's gone on in morphology

2451
01:36:47,189 --> 01:36:44,880
for so many years

2452
01:36:49,109 --> 01:36:47,199
as a matter of fact the document that i

2453
01:36:51,350 --> 01:36:49,119
was talking about earlier

2454
01:36:53,830 --> 01:36:51,360
that reveals what i believe is the real

2455
01:36:58,070 --> 01:36:53,840
truth about alien visitors that they are

2456
01:36:58,950 --> 01:36:58,080
not physical it was issued july 8 1947

2457
01:37:01,669 --> 01:36:58,960
well

2458
01:37:04,470 --> 01:37:01,679
not only was this document kept under

2459
01:37:08,149 --> 01:37:04,480
wraps the one revealing the truth of

2460
01:37:10,709 --> 01:37:08,159
alien visitors but roswell occurred just

2461
01:37:12,470 --> 01:37:10,719
a few weeks later just a few weeks later

2462
01:37:15,430 --> 01:37:12,480
it was uncovered

2463
01:37:17,590 --> 01:37:15,440
first off roswell occurred in early july

2464
01:37:18,950 --> 01:37:17,600
yes but it came forward shortly after

2465
01:37:21,270 --> 01:37:18,960
this document

2466
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was issued when roswell came forth we

2467
01:37:25,990 --> 01:37:24,320
had the newspaper story that they had

2468
01:37:27,830 --> 01:37:26,000
captured a flying disc and then a few

2469
01:37:29,350 --> 01:37:27,840
hours later it became the balloon store

2470
01:37:32,470 --> 01:37:29,360
right chris you want to follow up on

2471
01:37:34,629 --> 01:37:32,480
this not really and there were my eyes

2472
01:37:36,790 --> 01:37:34,639
glazed over yeah

2473
01:37:39,030 --> 01:37:36,800
i know that feeling i was actually busy

2474
01:37:40,870 --> 01:37:39,040
reading some of our our listener

2475
01:37:42,790 --> 01:37:40,880
questions which uh

2476
01:37:44,870 --> 01:37:42,800
i i think i think we should get to at

2477
01:37:46,629 --> 01:37:44,880
some point um after you guys are done

2478
01:37:48,629 --> 01:37:46,639
talking about roswell

2479
01:37:51,109 --> 01:37:48,639
you know that time period

2480
01:37:52,229 --> 01:37:51,119
i think is fascinating and anybody who's

2481
01:37:54,390 --> 01:37:52,239
interested in

2482
01:37:56,950 --> 01:37:54,400
in the subject should really

2483
01:38:00,229 --> 01:37:56,960
go back and look at what happened

2484
01:38:02,310 --> 01:38:00,239
in june and july of 1947

2485
01:38:03,350 --> 01:38:02,320
well actually that whole time period

2486
01:38:05,830 --> 01:38:03,360
from the

2487
01:38:08,870 --> 01:38:05,840
late summer of 46 through

2488
01:38:11,590 --> 01:38:08,880
the mid mid to late summer of 47

2489
01:38:14,310 --> 01:38:11,600
i mean there's some really key cases in

2490
01:38:16,470 --> 01:38:14,320
there especially that first

2491
01:38:17,750 --> 01:38:16,480
month time period after arnold between

2492
01:38:21,430 --> 01:38:17,760
arnold and

2493
01:38:23,910 --> 01:38:21,440
and roswell where you have a number of

2494
01:38:25,910 --> 01:38:23,920
almost daily sightings up and down the

2495
01:38:27,350 --> 01:38:25,920
west coast uh up in the pacific

2496
01:38:29,910 --> 01:38:27,360
northwest down

2497
01:38:32,229 --> 01:38:29,920
uh through oregon into california over

2498
01:38:34,149 --> 01:38:32,239
in idaho in the

2499
01:38:35,990 --> 01:38:34,159
western side of the rocky mountains so

2500
01:38:38,310 --> 01:38:36,000
it's just fascinating

2501
01:38:40,709 --> 01:38:38,320
uh that that particular wave of activity

2502
01:38:43,990 --> 01:38:40,719
and you have to remember this is before

2503
01:38:45,030 --> 01:38:44,000
there was a term ufo this is before

2504
01:38:46,870 --> 01:38:45,040
there was

2505
01:38:49,430 --> 01:38:46,880
really any sort of awareness in the

2506
01:38:50,870 --> 01:38:49,440
public and and the pristine nature of

2507
01:38:53,430 --> 01:38:50,880
some of the descriptions i think are

2508
01:38:55,669 --> 01:38:53,440
very telling and and i think there could

2509
01:38:57,990 --> 01:38:55,679
be a lot of cultural information in

2510
01:39:00,470 --> 01:38:58,000
there that we someone really just needs

2511
01:39:03,270 --> 01:39:00,480
to pull it out i think it's the freshest

2512
01:39:05,990 --> 01:39:03,280
uh descriptions that you'll ever find of

2513
01:39:08,229 --> 01:39:06,000
of these uh strange objects it was a

2514
01:39:10,229 --> 01:39:08,239
very desperate time uh during this

2515
01:39:11,750 --> 01:39:10,239
period and people were

2516
01:39:14,470 --> 01:39:11,760
especially scientific community we're

2517
01:39:16,950 --> 01:39:14,480
desperate for answers and that's one of

2518
01:39:18,149 --> 01:39:16,960
the reasons why this document was

2519
01:39:20,870 --> 01:39:18,159
produced the one i talked about

2520
01:39:22,629 --> 01:39:20,880
originally the memorandum of importance

2521
01:39:24,149 --> 01:39:22,639
and it was produced for that reason

2522
01:39:26,629 --> 01:39:24,159
because scientific community was

2523
01:39:28,629 --> 01:39:26,639
desperate for some answers as to what's

2524
01:39:30,709 --> 01:39:28,639
going on what's happening

2525
01:39:32,709 --> 01:39:30,719
have you had any experiences one of one

2526
01:39:35,310 --> 01:39:32,719
of the questions here is from william

2527
01:39:37,430 --> 01:39:35,320
strathman who's been a poster at

2528
01:39:39,750 --> 01:39:37,440
forum.paracast.com where listeners get

2529
01:39:41,910 --> 01:39:39,760
to ask our guests very pointed questions

2530
01:39:44,310 --> 01:39:41,920
and he's wondering he says i presume

2531
01:39:45,910 --> 01:39:44,320
you've had paranormal experiences

2532
01:39:47,830 --> 01:39:45,920
he wonders when did you have to start

2533
01:39:50,390 --> 01:39:47,840
having them and was it before your

2534
01:39:52,870 --> 01:39:50,400
service in the fbi yes it was absolutely

2535
01:39:55,350 --> 01:39:52,880
i said i talked about in my book the

2536
01:39:58,629 --> 01:39:55,360
extra dimensionals i when i was about 9

2537
01:40:01,030 --> 01:39:58,639
10 years old i had a an experience where

2538
01:40:02,310 --> 01:40:01,040
i was out with my family we were in new

2539
01:40:05,030 --> 01:40:02,320
york city

2540
01:40:06,950 --> 01:40:05,040
they were attending a party and we

2541
01:40:09,590 --> 01:40:06,960
were there with hundreds of people in

2542
01:40:11,350 --> 01:40:09,600
some rented hall it was

2543
01:40:14,310 --> 01:40:11,360
just a

2544
01:40:17,430 --> 01:40:14,320
very very uh good time for all and a

2545
01:40:19,350 --> 01:40:17,440
bunch of little kids found each other

2546
01:40:21,510 --> 01:40:19,360
and spilled out into the night it was

2547
01:40:24,229 --> 01:40:21,520
way past any of our bedtime was about

2548
01:40:26,390 --> 01:40:24,239
probably one in the morning and we ran

2549
01:40:27,270 --> 01:40:26,400
out into the night streets were deserted

2550
01:40:29,510 --> 01:40:27,280
and

2551
01:40:31,590 --> 01:40:29,520
we were playing playing tag playing rig

2552
01:40:33,669 --> 01:40:31,600
olivia was big it was a big happy time

2553
01:40:35,669 --> 01:40:33,679
for everybody and got kind of spirited

2554
01:40:37,430 --> 01:40:35,679
one of the kids hit me in the stomach

2555
01:40:38,550 --> 01:40:37,440
and i went down on the sidewalk on my

2556
01:40:40,790 --> 01:40:38,560
back

2557
01:40:43,750 --> 01:40:40,800
and one of the other kids screamed no

2558
01:40:45,830 --> 01:40:43,760
he's really hurt and uh so they took off

2559
01:40:47,910 --> 01:40:45,840
went running back to the rented hall

2560
01:40:50,629 --> 01:40:47,920
where everyone was partying

2561
01:40:52,790 --> 01:40:50,639
and i was left there on my own

2562
01:40:55,350 --> 01:40:52,800
and i was

2563
01:40:57,430 --> 01:40:55,360
able to just be looking up at the sky it

2564
01:41:00,229 --> 01:40:57,440
was a very starry night very beautiful

2565
01:41:01,830 --> 01:41:00,239
starry night and i was

2566
01:41:03,990 --> 01:41:01,840
um

2567
01:41:06,149 --> 01:41:04,000
noticing that there was a dark spot like

2568
01:41:07,669 --> 01:41:06,159
a large dark spot between these two

2569
01:41:10,470 --> 01:41:07,679
tallest buildings i'd ever seen up to

2570
01:41:13,830 --> 01:41:10,480
that time i was looking looking at this

2571
01:41:15,750 --> 01:41:13,840
and it was like a black ink cloud very

2572
01:41:17,189 --> 01:41:15,760
large like the kind of squid would give

2573
01:41:18,470 --> 01:41:17,199
off in the water if you're trying to get

2574
01:41:20,550 --> 01:41:18,480
them with your hand

2575
01:41:23,430 --> 01:41:20,560
and it was just a black ink cloud and

2576
01:41:25,510 --> 01:41:23,440
suddenly out of the bottom of that cloud

2577
01:41:27,350 --> 01:41:25,520
started coming out these spotlights

2578
01:41:30,070 --> 01:41:27,360
and i was just looking up by this time i

2579
01:41:32,070 --> 01:41:30,080
was on my feet looking up this thing

2580
01:41:34,950 --> 01:41:32,080
and these spotlights came out the bottom

2581
01:41:36,709 --> 01:41:34,960
of the cloud started emerging and yeah

2582
01:41:40,149 --> 01:41:36,719
sure enough this

2583
01:41:42,790 --> 01:41:40,159
sort of ufo looking disc this disc

2584
01:41:43,430 --> 01:41:42,800
came out it appeared to be metallic sort

2585
01:41:45,270 --> 01:41:43,440
of

2586
01:41:48,229 --> 01:41:45,280
and it came out i had spinning lights in

2587
01:41:50,390 --> 01:41:48,239
the bottom and it just came out and i

2588
01:41:52,709 --> 01:41:50,400
just got hit with that spotlight that

2589
01:41:54,550 --> 01:41:52,719
spotlight that many witnesses have felt

2590
01:41:56,870 --> 01:41:54,560
over the years it's like a bluish

2591
01:41:58,550 --> 01:41:56,880
greenish kind of spotlight and it just

2592
01:41:59,590 --> 01:41:58,560
hit me and i just kept looking up at

2593
01:42:02,229 --> 01:41:59,600
this thing

2594
01:42:04,709 --> 01:42:02,239
and as it's approaching me two teenage

2595
01:42:06,550 --> 01:42:04,719
girls appeared on my left side and they

2596
01:42:08,950 --> 01:42:06,560
were screaming and looking up the same

2597
01:42:11,109 --> 01:42:08,960
thing i was looking up at and they were

2598
01:42:12,870 --> 01:42:11,119
trying to hug each other and

2599
01:42:15,109 --> 01:42:12,880
just looking up and one of them yelled

2600
01:42:16,790 --> 01:42:15,119
at me little boy you better run home

2601
01:42:19,030 --> 01:42:16,800
the world might be ending

2602
01:42:22,229 --> 01:42:19,040
and then they disappeared

2603
01:42:23,910 --> 01:42:22,239
and i was looking up and i

2604
01:42:26,070 --> 01:42:23,920
myself and the

2605
01:42:27,430 --> 01:42:26,080
disc it appeared we changed our mind at

2606
01:42:29,430 --> 01:42:27,440
the same moment because i took a step

2607
01:42:31,189 --> 01:42:29,440
back out of the spotlight

2608
01:42:33,189 --> 01:42:31,199
and then the thing reversed course and

2609
01:42:34,709 --> 01:42:33,199
started going back up kind of like a

2610
01:42:36,229 --> 01:42:34,719
cartoon character jumps in the hole

2611
01:42:38,229 --> 01:42:36,239
pulls the hole in after this thing went

2612
01:42:41,750 --> 01:42:38,239
up into the cloud and then the cloud was

2613
01:42:43,430 --> 01:42:41,760
gone i just broke and i ran back

2614
01:42:45,910 --> 01:42:43,440
to the rented hall where my parents were

2615
01:42:47,030 --> 01:42:45,920
i tried to tell them what had happened

2616
01:42:49,270 --> 01:42:47,040
they didn't want to hear about it in

2617
01:42:50,790 --> 01:42:49,280
public and but later at home i told them

2618
01:42:51,590 --> 01:42:50,800
the whole story

2619
01:42:54,790 --> 01:42:51,600
and

2620
01:42:56,550 --> 01:42:54,800
my mom gave me the briefing on that

2621
01:42:58,550 --> 01:42:56,560
can't talk about paranormal topics in

2622
01:43:00,870 --> 01:42:58,560
front of people it's uh

2623
01:43:02,629 --> 01:43:00,880
not something that's gonna it's gonna do

2624
01:43:04,870 --> 01:43:02,639
any good and not something that would

2625
01:43:07,430 --> 01:43:04,880
lead to any place good at all

2626
01:43:09,990 --> 01:43:07,440
and that was my first experience

2627
01:43:11,430 --> 01:43:10,000
why did she think that because she was

2628
01:43:13,430 --> 01:43:11,440
keenly aware

2629
01:43:16,470 --> 01:43:13,440
of the fact that uh

2630
01:43:17,350 --> 01:43:16,480
people will interpret misinterpret and

2631
01:43:20,310 --> 01:43:17,360
uh

2632
01:43:22,550 --> 01:43:20,320
speak negatively of paranormal

2633
01:43:24,470 --> 01:43:22,560
experiences she was also she was also a

2634
01:43:27,430 --> 01:43:24,480
powerful psychic herself

2635
01:43:29,990 --> 01:43:27,440
and not a voluntary one but she had some

2636
01:43:32,870 --> 01:43:30,000
kind of psychic abilities that she

2637
01:43:35,430 --> 01:43:32,880
that would come upon her different times

2638
01:43:38,470 --> 01:43:35,440
so she was she knew about

2639
01:43:39,430 --> 01:43:38,480
being being very discreet about talking

2640
01:43:42,149 --> 01:43:39,440
about

2641
01:43:43,669 --> 01:43:42,159
ufo experiences or anything paranormal

2642
01:43:45,430 --> 01:43:43,679
in front of people

2643
01:43:47,830 --> 01:43:45,440
chris

2644
01:43:49,590 --> 01:43:47,840
i was actually

2645
01:43:51,189 --> 01:43:49,600
exposed to a lot of

2646
01:43:53,910 --> 01:43:51,199
interesting

2647
01:43:57,030 --> 01:43:53,920
information on divination

2648
01:43:59,030 --> 01:43:57,040
um the tarot cards uh

2649
01:44:01,109 --> 01:43:59,040
pendulum uh divination that sort of

2650
01:44:04,709 --> 01:44:01,119
thing at a young age

2651
01:44:07,430 --> 01:44:05,669
not to

2652
01:44:10,790 --> 01:44:07,440
really discuss this outside of the

2653
01:44:13,030 --> 01:44:10,800
family shall we say exactly

2654
01:44:14,709 --> 01:44:13,040
um so anyway we have uh we have some

2655
01:44:17,669 --> 01:44:14,719
questions here from

2656
01:44:20,629 --> 01:44:17,679
from angelo who has been

2657
01:44:23,189 --> 01:44:20,639
a long time poster uh he's been here

2658
01:44:25,750 --> 01:44:23,199
since the very beginning almost uh 2009

2659
01:44:27,270 --> 01:44:25,760
he's uh one of our staff members here

2660
01:44:29,990 --> 01:44:27,280
and it's good to have him back he's been

2661
01:44:33,750 --> 01:44:30,000
missing from the forums for a while

2662
01:44:35,590 --> 01:44:33,760
and he's wondering does your research uh

2663
01:44:37,750 --> 01:44:35,600
that you've done in this

2664
01:44:39,430 --> 01:44:37,760
connect to other paranormal activity

2665
01:44:41,109 --> 01:44:39,440
that's been reported such as hauntings

2666
01:44:42,229 --> 01:44:41,119
or shadow people

2667
01:44:46,790 --> 01:44:42,239
i think

2668
01:44:49,669 --> 01:44:46,800
he's wondering uh like i often do if

2669
01:44:51,830 --> 01:44:49,679
there is possibly some form of

2670
01:44:54,709 --> 01:44:51,840
interconnectedness between

2671
01:44:56,790 --> 01:44:54,719
what are apparently divergent uh

2672
01:44:58,870 --> 01:44:56,800
paranormal phenomena

2673
01:45:00,470 --> 01:44:58,880
they seem to be separated and highly

2674
01:45:02,950 --> 01:45:00,480
different

2675
01:45:04,709 --> 01:45:02,960
but is there possibly connections

2676
01:45:06,709 --> 01:45:04,719
you know i believe there are

2677
01:45:09,270 --> 01:45:06,719
there uh there's been a a lot of

2678
01:45:12,470 --> 01:45:09,280
observation that uh the

2679
01:45:14,870 --> 01:45:12,480
alien visitor phenomena it almost it

2680
01:45:17,750 --> 01:45:14,880
doesn't really behave it doesn't appear

2681
01:45:20,070 --> 01:45:17,760
to behave the way a physical phenomenon

2682
01:45:21,910 --> 01:45:20,080
would let's do our break

2683
01:45:23,350 --> 01:45:21,920
we've got more to come more of the

2684
01:45:25,510 --> 01:45:23,360
answer from

2685
01:45:26,550 --> 01:45:25,520
john d souza in the next segment of the

2686
01:45:28,950 --> 01:45:26,560
show

2687
01:45:40,390 --> 01:45:28,960
you're with gene and with chris and with

2688
01:45:47,910 --> 01:45:42,830
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2689
01:45:50,229 --> 01:45:47,920
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2692
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2698
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2740
01:48:05,030 --> 01:48:03,760
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2741
01:48:08,350 --> 01:48:05,040
and now

2742
01:48:11,830 --> 01:48:08,360
here's jane steinberg

2743
01:48:15,189 --> 01:48:12,790
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2744
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2746
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summarize some of this and have some

2747
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2748
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2749
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2752
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2753
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2757
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2758
01:48:45,350 --> 01:48:42,880
dot com simple as that prices are just a

2759
01:48:48,310 --> 01:48:45,360
dollar forty nine former fbi agent john

2760
01:48:50,149 --> 01:48:48,320
de souza is here he was responding to a

2761
01:48:52,310 --> 01:48:50,159
listener question

2762
01:48:55,109 --> 01:48:52,320
and john let's continue with that

2763
01:48:57,430 --> 01:48:55,119
there's been a lot of intellectual

2764
01:49:01,109 --> 01:48:57,440
observation over the years

2765
01:49:03,830 --> 01:49:01,119
that alien visitor phenomena and ufos in

2766
01:49:05,430 --> 01:49:03,840
a lot of ways it behaves not like a

2767
01:49:08,390 --> 01:49:05,440
physical phenomena

2768
01:49:10,470 --> 01:49:08,400
but more like a spiritistic

2769
01:49:11,430 --> 01:49:10,480
phenomenon you know because of this

2770
01:49:14,310 --> 01:49:11,440
whole

2771
01:49:15,990 --> 01:49:14,320
peekaboo type behavior that we see that

2772
01:49:17,350 --> 01:49:16,000
we see over the years you know why don't

2773
01:49:20,709 --> 01:49:17,360
they just

2774
01:49:22,790 --> 01:49:20,719
if something if a phenomenon is physical

2775
01:49:24,950 --> 01:49:22,800
then you expect it to act like a

2776
01:49:27,350 --> 01:49:24,960
physical phenomena they would just land

2777
01:49:30,550 --> 01:49:27,360
on the white house lawn you know come on

2778
01:49:32,629 --> 01:49:30,560
out and have commerce with the human

2779
01:49:34,390 --> 01:49:32,639
beings whatever that would look like

2780
01:49:37,189 --> 01:49:34,400
they'd be all over the place like a

2781
01:49:39,109 --> 01:49:37,199
parade down fifth avenue and uh they

2782
01:49:42,709 --> 01:49:39,119
would be interchanging with us in

2783
01:49:44,470 --> 01:49:42,719
whatever in an open commercial sense

2784
01:49:46,950 --> 01:49:44,480
not what's going on now

2785
01:49:49,830 --> 01:49:46,960
where it's this sort of phenomena that

2786
01:49:52,149 --> 01:49:49,840
just kind of appears doesn't appear it's

2787
01:49:54,550 --> 01:49:52,159
there it's not there there's you know

2788
01:49:57,109 --> 01:49:54,560
just uh contact with selected

2789
01:49:59,510 --> 01:49:57,119
individuals here and there but not with

2790
01:50:02,229 --> 01:49:59,520
large numbers of people at a time

2791
01:50:04,550 --> 01:50:02,239
you know like i said it does appear to

2792
01:50:06,629 --> 01:50:04,560
act more like a spiritistic type

2793
01:50:09,430 --> 01:50:06,639
phenomena even

2794
01:50:12,149 --> 01:50:09,440
analogous to like ghosts or

2795
01:50:14,629 --> 01:50:12,159
or other spiritual phenomena it doesn't

2796
01:50:16,229 --> 01:50:14,639
seem to be physical so yeah i agree with

2797
01:50:18,310 --> 01:50:16,239
that very much

2798
01:50:20,149 --> 01:50:18,320
do you think it all though that some of

2799
01:50:21,910 --> 01:50:20,159
those so-called contacts

2800
01:50:23,430 --> 01:50:21,920
and or abductions might have been

2801
01:50:25,669 --> 01:50:23,440
government experiments now give you an

2802
01:50:27,830 --> 01:50:25,679
example in a moment but do you have any

2803
01:50:29,830 --> 01:50:27,840
feeling for that oh yeah absolutely but

2804
01:50:33,350 --> 01:50:29,840
what i always tell people is that these

2805
01:50:35,430 --> 01:50:33,360
uh versions of the phenomena that people

2806
01:50:37,669 --> 01:50:35,440
have they're not mutually exclusive yeah

2807
01:50:39,830 --> 01:50:37,679
there can be a portion of these

2808
01:50:42,390 --> 01:50:39,840
phenomena that could be

2809
01:50:44,149 --> 01:50:42,400
generated by the military-industrial

2810
01:50:47,030 --> 01:50:44,159
complex you know whether you're talking

2811
01:50:49,910 --> 01:50:47,040
about ufos a lot of people say that the

2812
01:50:52,470 --> 01:50:49,920
triangle ships very possibly are secret

2813
01:50:53,669 --> 01:50:52,480
projects from breakaway civilization

2814
01:50:55,830 --> 01:50:53,679
type things

2815
01:50:59,270 --> 01:50:55,840
or that some of these experiences could

2816
01:51:02,629 --> 01:50:59,280
be my lab military laboratory type

2817
01:51:05,109 --> 01:51:02,639
experiments on people done by humans by

2818
01:51:07,109 --> 01:51:05,119
by human uh sources and yeah that could

2819
01:51:08,629 --> 01:51:07,119
that could be true as well

2820
01:51:11,750 --> 01:51:08,639
yeah ever hear of a contact he named

2821
01:51:13,750 --> 01:51:11,760
orpheo angelucci no i remember that name

2822
01:51:14,950 --> 01:51:13,760
okay he's back in the 50s and 60s we had

2823
01:51:18,070 --> 01:51:14,960
this whole group of people george

2824
01:51:20,550 --> 01:51:18,080
adamski dan frye truman bathroom and

2825
01:51:22,310 --> 01:51:20,560
orpheo angelucci talks of a time where

2826
01:51:24,550 --> 01:51:22,320
he meets his government

2827
01:51:26,629 --> 01:51:24,560
person i think at a diner and the

2828
01:51:27,750 --> 01:51:26,639
government person gives him a tab of

2829
01:51:29,350 --> 01:51:27,760
something

2830
01:51:30,950 --> 01:51:29,360
and he takes it

2831
01:51:33,109 --> 01:51:30,960
and the quote the

2832
01:51:34,950 --> 01:51:33,119
song a day in the life

2833
01:51:36,870 --> 01:51:34,960
he went into a dream

2834
01:51:38,149 --> 01:51:36,880
so we think he was drugged

2835
01:51:40,870 --> 01:51:38,159
probably

2836
01:51:43,270 --> 01:51:40,880
and this is an example of a possible

2837
01:51:44,470 --> 01:51:43,280
encounter with a government type who did

2838
01:51:46,709 --> 01:51:44,480
something

2839
01:51:48,470 --> 01:51:46,719
and so we can't ignore that that's why

2840
01:51:51,830 --> 01:51:48,480
we get into a lot of the stuff here that

2841
01:51:53,109 --> 01:51:51,840
the last some of the early ufo cases

2842
01:51:55,350 --> 01:51:53,119
late 40s

2843
01:51:57,750 --> 01:51:55,360
50s involved government we have maury

2844
01:51:59,350 --> 01:51:57,760
island and the maury island case is

2845
01:52:00,709 --> 01:51:59,360
interesting and i'll tell you why for a

2846
01:52:03,350 --> 01:52:00,719
lot of reasons

2847
01:52:05,990 --> 01:52:03,360
it's supposedly involved a ufo dropping

2848
01:52:07,589 --> 01:52:06,000
some kind of metallic substance

2849
01:52:10,070 --> 01:52:07,599
kenneth arnold who had the sighting on

2850
01:52:12,629 --> 01:52:10,080
june 24th 1947

2851
01:52:15,350 --> 01:52:12,639
was called to maury island

2852
01:52:17,430 --> 01:52:15,360
and dispatched there by ray palmer who

2853
01:52:19,189 --> 01:52:17,440
is possibly one of the people who

2854
01:52:21,350 --> 01:52:19,199
created the ufo mystery and i'll tell

2855
01:52:24,149 --> 01:52:21,360
you about that in a moment ray palmer

2856
01:52:26,870 --> 01:52:24,159
was editor of amazing stories

2857
01:52:29,510 --> 01:52:26,880
he was co-founder of fate magazine had a

2858
01:52:31,589 --> 01:52:29,520
publication called flying saucers helped

2859
01:52:34,310 --> 01:52:31,599
create the shaver mystery with richard

2860
01:52:37,750 --> 01:52:34,320
shaffer about supposedly being captured

2861
01:52:39,990 --> 01:52:37,760
by beings who lived in caverns

2862
01:52:42,310 --> 01:52:40,000
beneath the surface of the earth

2863
01:52:45,030 --> 01:52:42,320
and palmer sends arnold

2864
01:52:46,870 --> 01:52:45,040
to maury island to check it out

2865
01:52:49,030 --> 01:52:46,880
and he gets into a hotel it's really

2866
01:52:50,629 --> 01:52:49,040
strange because it's like james bond and

2867
01:52:52,149 --> 01:52:50,639
he goes to tacoma

2868
01:52:53,910 --> 01:52:52,159
and he

2869
01:52:55,030 --> 01:52:53,920
looks for a hotel

2870
01:52:56,470 --> 01:52:55,040
there's nothing there he didn't make a

2871
01:52:58,229 --> 01:52:56,480
reservation figuring it's a big city

2872
01:53:00,149 --> 01:52:58,239
there's always going to be a hotel

2873
01:53:02,149 --> 01:53:00,159
finally he finds a hotel

2874
01:53:03,669 --> 01:53:02,159
and they already had a reservation in

2875
01:53:05,430 --> 01:53:03,679
his name

2876
01:53:07,189 --> 01:53:05,440
and as recounted in a book called the

2877
01:53:08,070 --> 01:53:07,199
coming of the saucers

2878
01:53:10,629 --> 01:53:08,080
he

2879
01:53:12,470 --> 01:53:10,639
apparently was being recorded

2880
01:53:15,270 --> 01:53:12,480
then use tape then i think they use wire

2881
01:53:17,350 --> 01:53:15,280
recordings whatever he was being bugged

2882
01:53:18,390 --> 01:53:17,360
while this was happening

2883
01:53:21,990 --> 01:53:18,400
all right

2884
01:53:25,270 --> 01:53:22,000
one of the people a harper patrolman

2885
01:53:27,350 --> 01:53:25,280
who saw the ufo was a guy named fred lee

2886
01:53:29,750 --> 01:53:27,360
christman

2887
01:53:32,070 --> 01:53:29,760
the reason i mention him is because he'd

2888
01:53:34,149 --> 01:53:32,080
write letters as a reader of amazing

2889
01:53:36,709 --> 01:53:34,159
stories magazine during the era of the

2890
01:53:39,189 --> 01:53:36,719
shaver mystery talking about the arrival

2891
01:53:41,109 --> 01:53:39,199
of flying discs in the skies

2892
01:53:43,030 --> 01:53:41,119
a lot of what we saw in the early ufo

2893
01:53:45,589 --> 01:53:43,040
encounters were depicted in the

2894
01:53:47,990 --> 01:53:45,599
so-called factual sections of amazing

2895
01:53:50,550 --> 01:53:48,000
stories which was otherwise a science

2896
01:53:52,870 --> 01:53:50,560
fiction magazine again edited by ray

2897
01:53:55,270 --> 01:53:52,880
palmer palmer of course has his

2898
01:53:57,510 --> 01:53:55,280
involvement with this guy

2899
01:53:59,990 --> 01:53:57,520
kenneth arnold who had the first modern

2900
01:54:02,629 --> 01:54:00,000
ufo sighting

2901
01:54:05,510 --> 01:54:03,510
yeah

2902
01:54:08,629 --> 01:54:05,520
okay

2903
01:54:09,990 --> 01:54:08,639
so therefore it's pretty weird what

2904
01:54:11,750 --> 01:54:10,000
happened there

2905
01:54:14,629 --> 01:54:11,760
that this one guy

2906
01:54:17,189 --> 01:54:14,639
anticipated the ufo mystery

2907
01:54:19,030 --> 01:54:17,199
dealt with the guy who was a pioneer

2908
01:54:20,709 --> 01:54:19,040
cider of ufos

2909
01:54:22,470 --> 01:54:20,719
encountered this guy named fred lee

2910
01:54:24,390 --> 01:54:22,480
chrisman who

2911
01:54:27,510 --> 01:54:24,400
was writing about flying saucers and

2912
01:54:28,790 --> 01:54:27,520
amazing stories and later on by the way

2913
01:54:30,709 --> 01:54:28,800
there were a couple of rumors about

2914
01:54:33,270 --> 01:54:30,719
christmas he's kind of an odd character

2915
01:54:36,070 --> 01:54:33,280
he had a talk show in the seattle area

2916
01:54:38,149 --> 01:54:36,080
right wing i think and also there was a

2917
01:54:39,990 --> 01:54:38,159
story that was being researched by a

2918
01:54:41,350 --> 01:54:40,000
friend of mine

2919
01:54:43,750 --> 01:54:41,360
that maybe

2920
01:54:45,350 --> 01:54:43,760
he was one of the hobos they saw near

2921
01:54:50,470 --> 01:54:45,360
the

2922
01:54:52,709 --> 01:54:50,480
kennedy assassination time

2923
01:54:55,990 --> 01:54:52,719
but and also he was

2924
01:54:57,589 --> 01:54:56,000
in the oss searching for uh stolen nazi

2925
01:55:02,629 --> 01:54:57,599
gold in

2926
01:55:08,229 --> 01:55:06,310
that was a conversation stopper

2927
01:55:10,310 --> 01:55:08,239
no i remember here a guy named floyd

2928
01:55:13,350 --> 01:55:10,320
murray who died some years ago

2929
01:55:15,430 --> 01:55:13,360
and he had a huge stack of documents

2930
01:55:19,030 --> 01:55:15,440
about fred lee christman

2931
01:55:20,790 --> 01:55:19,040
and about all the stuff he did and so

2932
01:55:22,229 --> 01:55:20,800
i got interested because we have these

2933
01:55:23,830 --> 01:55:22,239
strange connections and that's why i'm

2934
01:55:24,950 --> 01:55:23,840
talking about government conspiracies

2935
01:55:27,350 --> 01:55:24,960
and everything

2936
01:55:29,030 --> 01:55:27,360
john we had this strange connection with

2937
01:55:32,229 --> 01:55:29,040
this one guy

2938
01:55:34,149 --> 01:55:32,239
whose experiences transcend the origin

2939
01:55:35,669 --> 01:55:34,159
of the ufo mystery in amazing stories

2940
01:55:39,030 --> 01:55:35,679
magazine

2941
01:55:40,870 --> 01:55:39,040
the presence in a strange ufo case that

2942
01:55:43,030 --> 01:55:40,880
edward rupelt who wrote the book the

2943
01:55:44,470 --> 01:55:43,040
report on unidentified flying objects

2944
01:55:46,790 --> 01:55:44,480
and was

2945
01:55:49,270 --> 01:55:46,800
head of project blue book for a while

2946
01:55:51,830 --> 01:55:49,280
called it the dirtiest hoax in ufo

2947
01:55:53,990 --> 01:55:51,840
history this maury island hoax blamed it

2948
01:55:56,310 --> 01:55:54,000
in part on ray palmer whom he called the

2949
01:55:59,589 --> 01:55:56,320
chicago publisher we have fred chrisman

2950
01:56:00,470 --> 01:55:59,599
there fred chrisman may be involved

2951
01:56:02,629 --> 01:56:00,480
with

2952
01:56:03,669 --> 01:56:02,639
the kennedy assassination at least being

2953
01:56:05,589 --> 01:56:03,679
there

2954
01:56:06,870 --> 01:56:05,599
a very strange character and that's why

2955
01:56:09,669 --> 01:56:06,880
i say john

2956
01:56:12,229 --> 01:56:09,679
there's evidence of possible government

2957
01:56:14,629 --> 01:56:12,239
involvement infiltration in the early

2958
01:56:16,470 --> 01:56:14,639
days of ufo research and then there's a

2959
01:56:19,750 --> 01:56:16,480
guy named

2960
01:56:22,310 --> 01:56:19,760
jim carrion james carrion who was a

2961
01:56:24,629 --> 01:56:22,320
former director of mufon who wrote a

2962
01:56:26,390 --> 01:56:24,639
book called the rosetta deception at the

2963
01:56:28,550 --> 01:56:26,400
ghost rockets

2964
01:56:30,470 --> 01:56:28,560
during world war ii

2965
01:56:32,550 --> 01:56:30,480
were part of a government plot to spook

2966
01:56:34,790 --> 01:56:32,560
the russians and was going to write a

2967
01:56:36,629 --> 01:56:34,800
book on roswell called the roswell

2968
01:56:38,310 --> 01:56:36,639
deception where you get the picture so

2969
01:56:41,030 --> 01:56:38,320
you see what i mean

2970
01:56:44,229 --> 01:56:41,040
being a former government operative

2971
01:56:46,950 --> 01:56:44,239
about early involvement isn't it mighty

2972
01:56:49,430 --> 01:56:46,960
peculiar we'll find out more in a moment

2973
01:56:50,629 --> 01:56:49,440
i want to remind you again listeners and

2974
01:56:52,870 --> 01:56:50,639
we'll have the answer from john in a

2975
01:56:54,310 --> 01:56:52,880
moment that you should take a look at

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2991
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so i raised a lot of scenarios there

3103
02:02:17,109 --> 02:02:15,040
john that have nothing to do with

3104
02:02:19,350 --> 02:02:17,119
interdimensional visitors

3105
02:02:21,189 --> 02:02:19,360
but possibly stuff

3106
02:02:23,430 --> 02:02:21,199
by our own government what do you think

3107
02:02:24,870 --> 02:02:23,440
well i'll tell you no one has to

3108
02:02:27,589 --> 02:02:24,880
convince me

3109
02:02:30,870 --> 02:02:27,599
that government would engage in

3110
02:02:33,750 --> 02:02:30,880
underhanded tricks psyops

3111
02:02:36,870 --> 02:02:33,760
poisoning people with tablets conducting

3112
02:02:37,669 --> 02:02:36,880
unauthorized experiments on individuals

3113
02:02:40,390 --> 02:02:37,679
both

3114
02:02:43,350 --> 02:02:40,400
to do with ufos and and even outside of

3115
02:02:45,589 --> 02:02:43,360
ufo areas uh yeah you don't convince me

3116
02:02:48,390 --> 02:02:45,599
of that that's for sure because

3117
02:02:50,470 --> 02:02:48,400
there has been a history of that before

3118
02:02:53,270 --> 02:02:50,480
the incidences that you pointed out and

3119
02:02:55,350 --> 02:02:53,280
after as well yeah i have no doubt that

3120
02:02:56,550 --> 02:02:55,360
the government did these things with

3121
02:02:58,950 --> 02:02:56,560
these individuals and that the

3122
02:03:01,750 --> 02:02:58,960
government tried to shape the narrative

3123
02:03:04,149 --> 02:03:01,760
of ufos and alien visitors towards the

3124
02:03:06,950 --> 02:03:04,159
beginning of the phenomena in the ways

3125
02:03:09,830 --> 02:03:06,960
that you that you said i can absolutely

3126
02:03:11,750 --> 02:03:09,840
believe uh every incident that you point

3127
02:03:14,310 --> 02:03:11,760
to however like i said it's not

3128
02:03:17,510 --> 02:03:14,320
exclusive the alien visitor phenomena

3129
02:03:20,310 --> 02:03:17,520
being true and real and actual in

3130
02:03:21,990 --> 02:03:20,320
accordance and because you just have to

3131
02:03:23,189 --> 02:03:22,000
go through the cases talk to the

3132
02:03:25,030 --> 02:03:23,199
witnesses

3133
02:03:26,709 --> 02:03:25,040
and you can see that

3134
02:03:29,430 --> 02:03:26,719
what you're talking about absolutely

3135
02:03:32,629 --> 02:03:29,440
can't exist and can be real at the same

3136
02:03:36,070 --> 02:03:32,639
time the actual alien visitor phenomena

3137
02:03:38,709 --> 02:03:36,080
can also be real and be genuine and of

3138
02:03:40,550 --> 02:03:38,719
course the best the best answer for that

3139
02:03:42,390 --> 02:03:40,560
is to actually listen to the witnesses

3140
02:03:44,950 --> 02:03:42,400
and talk to them and see what's going on

3141
02:03:47,990 --> 02:03:44,960
with them because there's incidences

3142
02:03:50,390 --> 02:03:48,000
that can't be explained

3143
02:03:52,310 --> 02:03:50,400
by government manipulation

3144
02:03:54,830 --> 02:03:52,320
and things of that sort i mean if you

3145
02:03:58,070 --> 02:03:54,840
just go to the rendelstrom incident in

3146
02:04:00,950 --> 02:03:58,080
1980 there's a lot of documentation

3147
02:04:03,030 --> 02:04:00,960
there of these plasma vehicles that

3148
02:04:05,430 --> 02:04:03,040
invaded this american military base on

3149
02:04:07,910 --> 02:04:05,440
british soil and that there was the

3150
02:04:10,790 --> 02:04:07,920
commanding officer himself of the entire

3151
02:04:13,510 --> 02:04:10,800
base was involved in the pursuit of this

3152
02:04:15,830 --> 02:04:13,520
plasma ufo in the middle of the night

3153
02:04:19,109 --> 02:04:15,840
through a dense dark forest with some

3154
02:04:21,189 --> 02:04:19,119
terrified troops in tow and him armed

3155
02:04:23,510 --> 02:04:21,199
with just flashlight and his uh audio

3156
02:04:25,669 --> 02:04:23,520
recorder you know he's just chasing this

3157
02:04:27,189 --> 02:04:25,679
uh ufo through the night this these

3158
02:04:29,750 --> 02:04:27,199
things had occurred over three nights it

3159
02:04:32,550 --> 02:04:29,760
later came out that these ufos had

3160
02:04:34,790 --> 02:04:32,560
actually shut down a nuclear facility on

3161
02:04:36,229 --> 02:04:34,800
that base you know it's a lot of weird

3162
02:04:38,470 --> 02:04:36,239
stuff with rendlesham we've covered a

3163
02:04:41,750 --> 02:04:38,480
lot we've had john burroughs here

3164
02:04:43,830 --> 02:04:41,760
we had nick pope the former head of the

3165
02:04:45,589 --> 02:04:43,840
ministry of defense and charles hall

3166
02:04:48,070 --> 02:04:45,599
we've got jim penniston we've got sure

3167
02:04:49,109 --> 02:04:48,080
we go porter robbins yeah we had peter

3168
02:04:50,629 --> 02:04:49,119
roberts i don't think we find larry

3169
02:04:54,310 --> 02:04:50,639
warren

3170
02:04:56,550 --> 02:04:54,320
wrote this book with peter robbins

3171
02:04:58,629 --> 02:04:56,560
called left it eastgate the original

3172
02:05:01,109 --> 02:04:58,639
best-selling rendersham book they've had

3173
02:05:03,270 --> 02:05:01,119
a falling out because peter says that

3174
02:05:04,790 --> 02:05:03,280
larry was lying to him so a lot of the

3175
02:05:07,350 --> 02:05:04,800
things that larry warren was saying

3176
02:05:10,310 --> 02:05:07,360
about this case we're not true but there

3177
02:05:14,709 --> 02:05:10,320
are also resemblances with the rendition

3178
02:05:16,709 --> 02:05:14,719
ufo and cash landrum in that somebody

3179
02:05:19,510 --> 02:05:16,719
suffered severe

3180
02:05:22,629 --> 02:05:19,520
physical injury as a result of coming in

3181
02:05:24,629 --> 02:05:22,639
proximity with this apparent craft we're

3182
02:05:26,629 --> 02:05:24,639
talking about john burroughs who's been

3183
02:05:27,910 --> 02:05:26,639
on this show in fact he was sitting

3184
02:05:29,510 --> 02:05:27,920
next to me

3185
02:05:32,229 --> 02:05:29,520
as we did our first interview with him

3186
02:05:34,149 --> 02:05:32,239
he came to my home not too many years

3187
02:05:36,550 --> 02:05:34,159
ago we had a nice time with my like the

3188
02:05:37,830 --> 02:05:36,560
guy we've had on the on the air in fact

3189
02:05:40,790 --> 02:05:37,840
some of our listeners know he does a

3190
02:05:42,870 --> 02:05:40,800
promo for the show so we listen to him

3191
02:05:44,629 --> 02:05:42,880
we know that eventually the government

3192
02:05:45,830 --> 02:05:44,639
agreed to pay for his condition his

3193
02:05:49,270 --> 02:05:45,840
injuries his

3194
02:05:51,510 --> 02:05:49,280
serious serious symptoms and that took a

3195
02:05:53,750 --> 02:05:51,520
lawsuit and we had a show on that too so

3196
02:05:56,229 --> 02:05:53,760
yeah we've covered rendition quite a bit

3197
02:05:58,550 --> 02:05:56,239
but there i also look at possible

3198
02:06:01,109 --> 02:05:58,560
government experimentation to some

3199
02:06:03,430 --> 02:06:01,119
degree partly because of burrows

3200
02:06:05,510 --> 02:06:03,440
partly because of its resemblance to

3201
02:06:08,550 --> 02:06:05,520
cash landrum partly because of the

3202
02:06:09,830 --> 02:06:08,560
resemblance of both cases to falcon lake

3203
02:06:11,669 --> 02:06:09,840
and we did an interview with chris

3204
02:06:13,990 --> 02:06:11,679
rutkowski the

3205
02:06:15,510 --> 02:06:14,000
famous canadian ufo researcher who has a

3206
02:06:16,629 --> 02:06:15,520
really really solid head on his

3207
02:06:19,189 --> 02:06:16,639
shoulders

3208
02:06:20,790 --> 02:06:19,199
falcon lake where someone suffered

3209
02:06:22,149 --> 02:06:20,800
something that also might have been

3210
02:06:24,550 --> 02:06:22,159
similar to

3211
02:06:26,470 --> 02:06:24,560
radiation burns do you see the point how

3212
02:06:29,589 --> 02:06:26,480
complicated this is john

3213
02:06:30,709 --> 02:06:29,599
oh sure absolutely so that makes you

3214
02:06:33,669 --> 02:06:30,719
believe

3215
02:06:36,310 --> 02:06:33,679
because of injuries and radiation burns

3216
02:06:38,229 --> 02:06:36,320
believe that what exactly it's not a

3217
02:06:39,430 --> 02:06:38,239
question of belief i think it means that

3218
02:06:41,910 --> 02:06:39,440
we have to look into a lot of

3219
02:06:43,830 --> 02:06:41,920
possibilities here there's a possibility

3220
02:06:45,510 --> 02:06:43,840
of some government involvement

3221
02:06:48,550 --> 02:06:45,520
it could be something

3222
02:06:51,109 --> 02:06:48,560
paranormal supernatural extradimensional

3223
02:06:53,910 --> 02:06:51,119
i will not dismiss that it only says we

3224
02:06:56,310 --> 02:06:53,920
have an open book on these cases

3225
02:06:59,030 --> 02:06:56,320
and we should look at the resemblances

3226
02:07:00,629 --> 02:06:59,040
and the possible similar injuries

3227
02:07:04,069 --> 02:07:00,639
of witnesses

3228
02:07:06,390 --> 02:07:04,079
sure how about when a witness is killed

3229
02:07:08,069 --> 02:07:06,400
well that too give us an example of a

3230
02:07:10,310 --> 02:07:08,079
case involving that

3231
02:07:12,550 --> 02:07:10,320
well i'd be interested to hear what you

3232
02:07:14,790 --> 02:07:12,560
think about the travis walton case which

3233
02:07:17,109 --> 02:07:14,800
continues to develop 40 years later

3234
02:07:19,350 --> 02:07:17,119
where he was very young man

3235
02:07:21,109 --> 02:07:19,360
working in the uh logging

3236
02:07:24,950 --> 02:07:21,119
working logging in sit graves national

3237
02:07:26,390 --> 02:07:24,960
park back in 1975 his crew was leaving

3238
02:07:29,189 --> 02:07:26,400
for the night in the truck

3239
02:07:31,189 --> 02:07:29,199
and uh he a plasma vehicle appeared just

3240
02:07:33,510 --> 02:07:31,199
above the tree line and you're assuming

3241
02:07:35,430 --> 02:07:33,520
it's a plasma vehicle well because the

3242
02:07:38,470 --> 02:07:35,440
description is that it was giving it was

3243
02:07:39,750 --> 02:07:38,480
giving off a very bright light it was

3244
02:07:41,910 --> 02:07:39,760
not just sitting there as like a

3245
02:07:43,830 --> 02:07:41,920
metallic appearance it was it appeared

3246
02:07:46,550 --> 02:07:43,840
to be filled with light so to me that

3247
02:07:50,069 --> 02:07:46,560
that just speaks to the whole plasma uh

3248
02:07:52,950 --> 02:07:50,079
plasma um description of the vehicle so

3249
02:07:54,629 --> 02:07:52,960
that's why i go to that assumption uh

3250
02:07:56,870 --> 02:07:54,639
because of how the appearance of the

3251
02:07:59,109 --> 02:07:56,880
vehicle was it wasn't just it was

3252
02:08:01,669 --> 02:07:59,119
appeared to be giving off light at the

3253
02:08:02,629 --> 02:08:01,679
time i tend to refer to ufos as plasmas

3254
02:08:05,109 --> 02:08:02,639
anyway

3255
02:08:07,189 --> 02:08:05,119
because to me they just i think that's a

3256
02:08:09,750 --> 02:08:07,199
more accurate description of their

3257
02:08:12,069 --> 02:08:09,760
properties and abilities so of the

3258
02:08:15,189 --> 02:08:12,079
genuine ones i'm saying he uh ran under

3259
02:08:16,870 --> 02:08:15,199
this uh this plasma vehicle and he

3260
02:08:19,189 --> 02:08:16,880
foolishly went into this halo light and

3261
02:08:22,310 --> 02:08:19,199
the thing apparently gave off a bolt of

3262
02:08:23,669 --> 02:08:22,320
energy as it was taking off and it just

3263
02:08:27,030 --> 02:08:23,679
struck him down

3264
02:08:29,109 --> 02:08:27,040
apparently dead to his partners who were

3265
02:08:31,350 --> 02:08:29,119
in the truck and they just took off they

3266
02:08:34,470 --> 02:08:31,360
just took off and they left

3267
02:08:36,870 --> 02:08:34,480
and they figured he was stone cold dead

3268
02:08:38,950 --> 02:08:36,880
and later on he also said he was

3269
02:08:40,069 --> 02:08:38,960
probably struck down dead at that time

3270
02:08:41,350 --> 02:08:40,079
also

3271
02:08:43,350 --> 02:08:41,360
one of the things that happened in that

3272
02:08:45,350 --> 02:08:43,360
case is that there's an additional

3273
02:08:46,950 --> 02:08:45,360
there's another witness who happened to

3274
02:08:48,310 --> 02:08:46,960
be in the forest

3275
02:08:51,270 --> 02:08:48,320
at that time

3276
02:08:53,830 --> 02:08:51,280
and he was hunting in the forest at that

3277
02:08:56,550 --> 02:08:53,840
time and he emerged from the forest as

3278
02:08:58,470 --> 02:08:56,560
that occurred as travis was struck down

3279
02:09:01,350 --> 02:08:58,480
by this plasma vehicle that was hovering

3280
02:09:03,270 --> 02:09:01,360
above him he just looks to his right and

3281
02:09:05,030 --> 02:09:03,280
he was a member of the military this guy

3282
02:09:07,510 --> 02:09:05,040
and he looked to his right and he just

3283
02:09:09,430 --> 02:09:07,520
saw a giant thing a cloud of dust from

3284
02:09:10,870 --> 02:09:09,440
the truck peeling off and a bunch of

3285
02:09:12,310 --> 02:09:10,880
guys screaming in the truck and then he

3286
02:09:14,069 --> 02:09:12,320
looked to his left

3287
02:09:17,589 --> 02:09:14,079
and he saw

3288
02:09:19,350 --> 02:09:17,599
a young very skinny young man apparently

3289
02:09:23,270 --> 02:09:19,360
unconscious or dead

3290
02:09:25,910 --> 02:09:23,280
being lifted up into the bottom of a

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travis walton so that indictment never

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came even though they were working on it

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that had played

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travis and his witnesses for so many

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we were talking about

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travis walter and his

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encounters very briefly travis was also

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on the power cast once chris do you know

3439
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much at all a little bit right yeah i've

3440
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i've spent some time with him um when i

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was out in la visiting uh tracy tormey i

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was able to spend actually the entire

3443
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afternoon with both tracy and and travis

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was really struck by how intelligent he

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is you'd think a logger from snowflake

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arizona would limited education would be

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you know kind of a salt of the earth

3448
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kind of guy

3449
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travis is really smart and very bright

3450
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um i have been around him and caught him

3451
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when he drops into

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these kind of glitches where he goes

3453
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into a thousand-yard stare

3454
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which convinces me that he's still on

3455
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some deep levels still traumatized by

3456
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what happened to him uh you know 40 plus

3457
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years ago and

3458
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and i've always been convinced that it's

3459
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a real deal i've known travis i met him

3460
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over 20 years ago and his story is never

3461
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varied

3462
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i just spoke with a

3463
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journalist actually who i'm helping with

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the project he actually interviewed

3465
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travis on camera within weeks of his

3466
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experience happening and then he went

3467
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back last year

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and did the exact same interview

3469
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asked him the exact same questions

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of course travis had forgotten the

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initial

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interview years ago

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and so uh and he didn't remind him that

3474
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he had already interviewed him so he

3475
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asked the questions and then went and

3476
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compared them and unlike a lot of

3477
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contactees and you know experiencers

3478
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where the the story gets a little bit

3479
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more fleshed out and

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more details and and more impressive

3481
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over the years he said if anything

3482
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travis's story was more conservative

3483
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exactly like 40 years later

3484
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there was absolutely no deviation from

3485
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any facts at all he seemed to be more

3486
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circumspect now and that he actually

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felt that he was just in the wrong place

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at the wrong time and they probably

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didn't want to take him but he thinks

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they may have healed him which is kind

3491
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of like his latest take on what may have

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happened that they actually were kind of

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forced to uh take him aboard the craft

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to uh heal him from getting zapped by

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some sort of weird grounding energy that

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that appeared to happen the spark that

3497
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flew out and got him and all that

3498
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so yeah i think out of all the cases

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that we have of this time

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that this one is one of the more

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compelling cases you know you have

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clifford mahouti also his family having

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the incredible sighting 100 miles away a

3504
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month a month or so later and the kind

3505
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of the blistering of a dozen or more

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cattle mutilation cases that occurred

3507
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around the uh hebrew area uh the month

3508
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before the abduction so you know there's

3509
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other attendant uh phenomena that

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occurred around that uh area of the

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mogyeon rim

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that fall of 75 and i think it's

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important for investigators to always

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look you know before and after events to

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kind of help put things in the context

3516
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and get some possible correlations

3517
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exactly and i was going to bring up

3518
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there was always a problem like a

3519
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nagging problem with the travis walton's

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experience which is that investigators

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who looked at it always were puzzled by

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the fact that it was an alien human

3523
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abduction but it's one that doesn't fit

3524
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any patterns that have happened since

3525
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then it doesn't fit the patterns of

3526
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every abduction it's unique absolutely

3527
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unique and has never been repeated

3528
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now what was the reason for that well

3529
02:18:57,509 --> 02:18:55,280
recently travis has not deviated but

3530
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actually had an elaboration of his

3531
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thinking on it and that was that it was

3532
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that this was not an abduction at all

3533
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it wasn't an addiction it was a rescue

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operation where these alien visitors

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became aware that they had possibly

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killed someone on the ground and that

3537
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was not within their parameters so they

3538
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had to go back pick him up and that's

3539
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part of why they were so unprepared when

3540
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he was brought on board and he started

3541
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physically resisting with violence these

3542
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great entities that were trying to

3543
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approach him calm down that they

3544
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actually had to abandon the situation

3545
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just leave him because they were not

3546
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prepared to control him to do any of the

3547
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normal things we usually see in alien

3548
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abductions that answers why

3549
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this was so different it was because it

3550
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wasn't an abduction it wasn't and it was

3551
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a rescue operation and i believe that he

3552
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actually was dead and they actually

3553
02:19:53,110 --> 02:19:50,800
brought him back to life

3554
02:19:55,190 --> 02:19:53,120
yeah you know and again we're you know

3555
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speculating when it comes to that but

3556
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you know there are details to his

3557
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experience that you know the warner

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brothers movie

3559
02:20:04,389 --> 02:20:03,200
totally glossed over the um the actual

3560
02:20:06,309 --> 02:20:04,399
human

3561
02:20:08,870 --> 02:20:06,319
types that were on board the craft that

3562
02:20:09,990 --> 02:20:08,880
he described uh and had interactions

3563
02:20:11,429 --> 02:20:10,000
with and actually was able to

3564
02:20:13,030 --> 02:20:11,439
communicate with

3565
02:20:15,030 --> 02:20:13,040
you don't see mention of that in the

3566
02:20:17,750 --> 02:20:15,040
movie and you also see you know the

3567
02:20:19,590 --> 02:20:17,760
forced injection of fear fear-based

3568
02:20:23,670 --> 02:20:19,600
mongering the material

3569
02:20:26,150 --> 02:20:23,680
waking up in a gooey cocoon on a wall

3570
02:20:28,630 --> 02:20:26,160
with lots of other gooey cocoons it's

3571
02:20:31,110 --> 02:20:28,640
hollywood yeah the the thing coming down

3572
02:20:33,270 --> 02:20:31,120
in the eye and you know the

3573
02:20:35,429 --> 02:20:33,280
his face being immobilized these things

3574
02:20:36,870 --> 02:20:35,439
were added as an afterthought and you

3575
02:20:39,270 --> 02:20:36,880
know i've mentioned this on the show

3576
02:20:40,309 --> 02:20:39,280
before that that both travis and tracy

3577
02:20:42,389 --> 02:20:40,319
tormey

3578
02:20:44,630 --> 02:20:42,399
were at the point of actually legally

3579
02:20:46,309 --> 02:20:44,640
pursuing you know the studio and having

3580
02:20:47,990 --> 02:20:46,319
their names taken off

3581
02:20:49,429 --> 02:20:48,000
off the project

3582
02:20:50,469 --> 02:20:49,439
because they were so upset with the way

3583
02:20:53,030 --> 02:20:50,479
that the

3584
02:20:54,550 --> 02:20:53,040
onboard ship portions were uh were

3585
02:20:55,349 --> 02:20:54,560
sensationalized

3586
02:20:57,190 --> 02:20:55,359
but

3587
02:20:58,790 --> 02:20:57,200
you know again that's hollywood what can

3588
02:20:59,750 --> 02:20:58,800
you do but um

3589
02:21:02,550 --> 02:20:59,760
i think

3590
02:21:04,550 --> 02:21:02,560
we should uh do well to go back to that

3591
02:21:06,230 --> 02:21:04,560
case and re-read

3592
02:21:08,230 --> 02:21:06,240
uh the interactions that he had with

3593
02:21:10,150 --> 02:21:08,240
what appeared to be humans aboard the

3594
02:21:11,110 --> 02:21:10,160
ship not nordics

3595
02:21:13,670 --> 02:21:11,120
really

3596
02:21:16,469 --> 02:21:13,680
you could describe them as nordics but

3597
02:21:19,510 --> 02:21:16,479
that's not how travis described them um

3598
02:21:21,590 --> 02:21:19,520
they were described as as regular humans

3599
02:21:23,750 --> 02:21:21,600
and you have something similar with the

3600
02:21:26,870 --> 02:21:23,760
betty and barney hill case where you

3601
02:21:28,389 --> 02:21:26,880
have humans dressed uh in what appeared

3602
02:21:30,710 --> 02:21:28,399
to be uh

3603
02:21:32,150 --> 02:21:30,720
like nazi uniforms i think was was an

3604
02:21:34,710 --> 02:21:32,160
actual term

3605
02:21:37,030 --> 02:21:34,720
uh or german uniforms maybe that was the

3606
02:21:38,790 --> 02:21:37,040
term they're better used so you know

3607
02:21:41,830 --> 02:21:38,800
there's always this kind of tricks

3608
02:21:45,030 --> 02:21:41,840
element that's that's uh present

3609
02:21:47,670 --> 02:21:45,040
in most if not many of of of our of our

3610
02:21:50,469 --> 02:21:47,680
you know close proximity cases um

3611
02:21:53,670 --> 02:21:50,479
and um i think instead of throwing those

3612
02:21:55,670 --> 02:21:53,680
particular anomalies out of

3613
02:21:58,150 --> 02:21:55,680
our data i think we should

3614
02:22:00,870 --> 02:21:58,160
actually spending more time examining

3615
02:22:02,710 --> 02:22:00,880
those inexplicable elements because that

3616
02:22:03,670 --> 02:22:02,720
that may be where the clues are that

3617
02:22:05,990 --> 02:22:03,680
we're

3618
02:22:07,750 --> 02:22:06,000
you know it's like forest for the trees

3619
02:22:09,429 --> 02:22:07,760
you know it's dangling right in front of

3620
02:22:11,510 --> 02:22:09,439
us and we're not we're not picking up on

3621
02:22:12,309 --> 02:22:11,520
it yeah uh we're obviously

3622
02:22:13,910 --> 02:22:12,319
uh

3623
02:22:16,469 --> 02:22:13,920
we've got something wrong and i i

3624
02:22:18,870 --> 02:22:16,479
applaud uh uh john you're you're

3625
02:22:20,950 --> 02:22:18,880
diving into alternative thinking and

3626
02:22:23,990 --> 02:22:20,960
and going in and looking at these things

3627
02:22:27,030 --> 02:22:24,000
from from a fresh you know new and fresh

3628
02:22:28,309 --> 02:22:27,040
perspective yeah as best you can yeah as

3629
02:22:30,630 --> 02:22:28,319
a matter of fact it's funny that you

3630
02:22:33,270 --> 02:22:30,640
mentioned the uh humans well the human

3631
02:22:35,270 --> 02:22:33,280
appearing uh creatures that were

3632
02:22:38,550 --> 02:22:35,280
that were encountered by travis

3633
02:22:41,830 --> 02:22:38,560
afterward because as people know he

3634
02:22:44,389 --> 02:22:41,840
he uh confronted uh there were three

3635
02:22:45,830 --> 02:22:44,399
gray individuals or we would think of as

3636
02:22:48,309 --> 02:22:45,840
grays

3637
02:22:50,710 --> 02:22:48,319
that at first encountered travis and

3638
02:22:52,469 --> 02:22:50,720
tried to calm him down tried to get him

3639
02:22:54,630 --> 02:22:52,479
back on this table

3640
02:22:57,349 --> 02:22:54,640
and of course he he confronted them with

3641
02:22:59,830 --> 02:22:57,359
violence and they were small and weak of

3642
02:23:01,750 --> 02:22:59,840
course he said their muscle tone when he

3643
02:23:03,670 --> 02:23:01,760
hit one of them their muscle tone was

3644
02:23:06,870 --> 02:23:03,680
almost like rubber it was just like no

3645
02:23:08,469 --> 02:23:06,880
muscle there at all and it just and so

3646
02:23:12,230 --> 02:23:08,479
they ran away from him they abandoned

3647
02:23:15,349 --> 02:23:12,240
the effort but then later and this is my

3648
02:23:18,550 --> 02:23:15,359
contention uh i believe that those same

3649
02:23:20,150 --> 02:23:18,560
entities may because there were three

3650
02:23:22,550 --> 02:23:20,160
human entities

3651
02:23:24,150 --> 02:23:22,560
that appeared kind of uncoordinated

3652
02:23:26,630 --> 02:23:24,160
between themselves

3653
02:23:30,309 --> 02:23:26,640
that he later encountered

3654
02:23:32,870 --> 02:23:30,319
who were i think was one female and two

3655
02:23:35,030 --> 02:23:32,880
males that had that nordic appearance

3656
02:23:36,150 --> 02:23:35,040
sort of they they had that they were

3657
02:23:39,110 --> 02:23:36,160
very tall

3658
02:23:41,429 --> 02:23:39,120
very uh well muscled very uh german's

3659
02:23:43,830 --> 02:23:41,439
body but one of the one of the things

3660
02:23:45,270 --> 02:23:43,840
that i contend is that those three

3661
02:23:46,790 --> 02:23:45,280
nordics

3662
02:23:50,230 --> 02:23:46,800
for likely better term that he

3663
02:23:52,150 --> 02:23:50,240
confronted later they basically shared

3664
02:23:54,230 --> 02:23:52,160
some of the qualities with the earlier

3665
02:23:56,150 --> 02:23:54,240
three grades and i believe because i

3666
02:23:59,910 --> 02:23:56,160
believe in the extra dimensional

3667
02:24:01,270 --> 02:23:59,920
hypothesis i believe those three nordics

3668
02:24:03,590 --> 02:24:01,280
were the same

3669
02:24:05,510 --> 02:24:03,600
alien entities that were the three grays

3670
02:24:07,590 --> 02:24:05,520
ahead yeah maybe they were holograms or

3671
02:24:09,510 --> 02:24:07,600
some sort of projection to keep them

3672
02:24:11,510 --> 02:24:09,520
from freaking out yeah because i believe

3673
02:24:13,270 --> 02:24:11,520
alien visitors from what i've seen i

3674
02:24:15,270 --> 02:24:13,280
believe the alien visitors

3675
02:24:16,309 --> 02:24:15,280
because they are extra dimensional in

3676
02:24:19,110 --> 02:24:16,319
nature

3677
02:24:22,230 --> 02:24:19,120
they probably are able to change their

3678
02:24:23,990 --> 02:24:22,240
race their appearance their just like we

3679
02:24:24,950 --> 02:24:24,000
even easier than we change suits of

3680
02:24:26,870 --> 02:24:24,960
clothing

3681
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we got more to come with john de souza

3682
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final segment and gene and chris you're

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this is jacqueline you're listening to

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the paracast

3780
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so

3781
02:29:19,750 --> 02:29:17,760
obviously whatever travis walton saw

3782
02:29:22,309 --> 02:29:19,760
that's not what they looked like

3783
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or it was a show put on for his benefit

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yeah it's a show

3785
02:29:29,030 --> 02:29:26,319
i believe it's always a show put on for

3786
02:29:31,510 --> 02:29:29,040
the benefit of the experiencers

3787
02:29:34,790 --> 02:29:31,520
because i believe that these alien

3788
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visitors that they can change races they

3789
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can change appearance like we change

3790
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suits of clothing uh maybe even easier

3791
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than that if there is a you know a

3792
02:29:47,670 --> 02:29:45,280
holographic type component to it

3793
02:29:50,230 --> 02:29:47,680
and and i think that the travis walton

3794
02:29:52,469 --> 02:29:50,240
experience is a good example of that

3795
02:29:54,150 --> 02:29:52,479
because you see those repeating because

3796
02:29:57,110 --> 02:29:54,160
what investigators do is they look

3797
02:29:59,590 --> 02:29:57,120
across you know hundreds of these cases

3798
02:30:01,750 --> 02:29:59,600
and look for these clues patterns that

3799
02:30:03,590 --> 02:30:01,760
repeat because we're building a profile

3800
02:30:05,590 --> 02:30:03,600
we're building a profile of the subject

3801
02:30:07,510 --> 02:30:05,600
and who they are and what they want and

3802
02:30:09,750 --> 02:30:07,520
what their agenda is now there's an

3803
02:30:12,389 --> 02:30:09,760
abduction researcher out there

3804
02:30:16,070 --> 02:30:12,399
actually two but one's no longer with us

3805
02:30:20,150 --> 02:30:16,080
dr david jacobs he has a theory

3806
02:30:22,230 --> 02:30:20,160
that e.t is here to create a hybrid

3807
02:30:23,830 --> 02:30:22,240
or hubrid

3808
02:30:25,110 --> 02:30:23,840
race of

3809
02:30:26,389 --> 02:30:25,120
humans

3810
02:30:28,389 --> 02:30:26,399
aliens

3811
02:30:30,309 --> 02:30:28,399
to eventually take us over and that's

3812
02:30:32,950 --> 02:30:30,319
what abductions are all about that's why

3813
02:30:35,830 --> 02:30:32,960
we have all the genetic experimentation

3814
02:30:38,710 --> 02:30:35,840
and the reports of people possibly being

3815
02:30:42,230 --> 02:30:38,720
impregnated with alien

3816
02:30:44,710 --> 02:30:42,240
embryos or something that to us is very

3817
02:30:47,910 --> 02:30:44,720
extreme chris and i have very serious

3818
02:30:49,910 --> 02:30:47,920
questions about dr jacobs research

3819
02:30:50,790 --> 02:30:49,920
and about his conclusions

3820
02:30:53,910 --> 02:30:50,800
but

3821
02:30:55,910 --> 02:30:53,920
if e.t is putting on a show for us

3822
02:30:57,670 --> 02:30:55,920
assuming this is e.t

3823
02:31:01,429 --> 02:30:57,680
would that be part of the show

3824
02:31:04,070 --> 02:31:01,439
to pretend to create a race of

3825
02:31:05,910 --> 02:31:04,080
half human half alien to

3826
02:31:07,590 --> 02:31:05,920
walk amongst us

3827
02:31:10,309 --> 02:31:07,600
oh no i don't think it's a show at all i

3828
02:31:12,710 --> 02:31:10,319
think that uh that is very likely is

3829
02:31:15,030 --> 02:31:12,720
going on i don't know if it's if it's

3830
02:31:17,910 --> 02:31:15,040
already been if these hybrids have

3831
02:31:20,230 --> 02:31:17,920
already been planted here but like you

3832
02:31:21,990 --> 02:31:20,240
said earlier all these abductions that

3833
02:31:24,070 --> 02:31:22,000
have probably been going on over

3834
02:31:25,750 --> 02:31:24,080
hundreds thousands of years

3835
02:31:27,670 --> 02:31:25,760
they're collecting a lot of human

3836
02:31:29,670 --> 02:31:27,680
material and they've got quite a bank

3837
02:31:32,150 --> 02:31:29,680
built up when you have money in the bank

3838
02:31:33,990 --> 02:31:32,160
you got to spend it at some point and i

3839
02:31:36,710 --> 02:31:34,000
believe we're going to get all that

3840
02:31:38,070 --> 02:31:36,720
tissue all those samples all the human

3841
02:31:40,550 --> 02:31:38,080
material we're going to get it back

3842
02:31:43,429 --> 02:31:40,560
someday and yeah i think a part of it is

3843
02:31:46,230 --> 02:31:43,439
going to be the way that dr jacob says

3844
02:31:49,030 --> 02:31:46,240
with these hybrid creatures these uh

3845
02:31:51,510 --> 02:31:49,040
mixed creatures that will be sent back

3846
02:31:55,110 --> 02:31:51,520
to us and we're going to get all of that

3847
02:31:57,030 --> 02:31:55,120
material now imagine with all that human

3848
02:31:58,950 --> 02:31:57,040
tissue material that they've built up

3849
02:32:01,510 --> 02:31:58,960
over so many years

3850
02:32:03,190 --> 02:32:01,520
how much how many hybrids is that that

3851
02:32:05,510 --> 02:32:03,200
they could actually build

3852
02:32:07,670 --> 02:32:05,520
uh in that time to uh send back to us

3853
02:32:09,349 --> 02:32:07,680
that's quite a lot yeah but do you

3854
02:32:11,349 --> 02:32:09,359
really think they engage in such a

3855
02:32:12,550 --> 02:32:11,359
primitive way of doing this

3856
02:32:15,270 --> 02:32:12,560
i don't know

3857
02:32:17,910 --> 02:32:15,280
how primitive it is it seems pretty

3858
02:32:21,030 --> 02:32:17,920
advanced to create new forms of life

3859
02:32:22,150 --> 02:32:21,040
out of our genetic material that kind of

3860
02:32:24,469 --> 02:32:22,160
shares

3861
02:32:26,550 --> 02:32:24,479
some traits with us but that's very

3862
02:32:29,270 --> 02:32:26,560
different in other ways just like what

3863
02:32:31,910 --> 02:32:29,280
we see in prehistory with the annunaki

3864
02:32:35,429 --> 02:32:31,920
when we see these artful representations

3865
02:32:38,550 --> 02:32:35,439
of the anunnaki messing around with dna

3866
02:32:41,190 --> 02:32:38,560
and creating these new creatures

3867
02:32:41,990 --> 02:32:41,200
in the work that we see from pre-history

3868
02:32:44,309 --> 02:32:42,000
and

3869
02:32:46,950 --> 02:32:44,319
we think we could be heading back to

3870
02:32:48,389 --> 02:32:46,960
that situation again chris what's your

3871
02:32:50,389 --> 02:32:48,399
feeling about this

3872
02:32:52,630 --> 02:32:50,399
i don't know any time i hear annunaki

3873
02:32:55,990 --> 02:32:52,640
and prehistory and these types of terms

3874
02:32:59,030 --> 02:32:56,000
i might again my kind of eyes glaze over

3875
02:33:02,550 --> 02:32:59,040
don't glaze over chris come on

3876
02:33:04,950 --> 02:33:02,560
yeah well his nickname is glaze

3877
02:33:07,110 --> 02:33:04,960
i have a tough time just suspending my

3878
02:33:08,790 --> 02:33:07,120
disbelief and going there um

3879
02:33:10,389 --> 02:33:08,800
you know i think i think there's very

3880
02:33:12,309 --> 02:33:10,399
little evidence

3881
02:33:14,630 --> 02:33:12,319
tantalizingly so that we're being

3882
02:33:17,429 --> 02:33:14,640
visited by anything and and one of the

3883
02:33:18,630 --> 02:33:17,439
questions that angelo has here

3884
02:33:19,910 --> 02:33:18,640
is uh

3885
02:33:21,349 --> 02:33:19,920
he's just wondering what makes you

3886
02:33:23,429 --> 02:33:21,359
believe that most of these events can't

3887
02:33:25,270 --> 02:33:23,439
be explained by something more prosaic

3888
02:33:27,110 --> 02:33:25,280
and of course he says my favorite

3889
02:33:29,349 --> 02:33:27,120
question is why is there no footage of

3890
02:33:31,270 --> 02:33:29,359
these things my opinion is that in a

3891
02:33:33,349 --> 02:33:31,280
time where the majority of people have

3892
02:33:35,429 --> 02:33:33,359
high definition cameras with them we

3893
02:33:36,870 --> 02:33:35,439
should have a lot more footage i also

3894
02:33:38,870 --> 02:33:36,880
feel that the explanation that these

3895
02:33:41,510 --> 02:33:38,880
things are able to avoid our cameras

3896
02:33:43,670 --> 02:33:41,520
somehow is a bit of a cop-out

3897
02:33:44,790 --> 02:33:43,680
you know i've been saying that too i

3898
02:33:46,870 --> 02:33:44,800
remember

3899
02:33:48,950 --> 02:33:46,880
right there in 99 uh

3900
02:33:51,510 --> 02:33:48,960
the changes in the millennium saying

3901
02:33:52,950 --> 02:33:51,520
oh yeah with these cell phones and you

3902
02:33:55,270 --> 02:33:52,960
know everybody's gonna be have a camera

3903
02:33:58,070 --> 02:33:55,280
we're gonna have so many more pictures

3904
02:34:00,870 --> 02:33:58,080
the data you know uh the technology will

3905
02:34:02,950 --> 02:34:00,880
finally overwhelm uh the mystery

3906
02:34:04,790 --> 02:34:02,960
so far i mean people are so

3907
02:34:06,950 --> 02:34:04,800
they've got their cameras pointed at

3908
02:34:08,790 --> 02:34:06,960
themselves so much that

3909
02:34:11,190 --> 02:34:08,800
part of the reason is that you know

3910
02:34:13,030 --> 02:34:11,200
they're not looking at their environment

3911
02:34:15,190 --> 02:34:13,040
everybody's looking falling in love with

3912
02:34:17,030 --> 02:34:15,200
their thumbs i mean let's get real but

3913
02:34:19,190 --> 02:34:17,040
but still giant

3914
02:34:21,590 --> 02:34:19,200
ufo is floating over quality photographs

3915
02:34:23,510 --> 02:34:21,600
uh why aren't we uh what do you think

3916
02:34:25,110 --> 02:34:23,520
well i talk about this in my book

3917
02:34:26,550 --> 02:34:25,120
there's something called the shock and

3918
02:34:29,349 --> 02:34:26,560
freeze factor

3919
02:34:32,309 --> 02:34:29,359
when a person experiences

3920
02:34:34,790 --> 02:34:32,319
a paradigm shifting event there's kind

3921
02:34:35,830 --> 02:34:34,800
of like a revolt from the brain

3922
02:34:38,790 --> 02:34:35,840
that

3923
02:34:41,750 --> 02:34:38,800
refuses doesn't want to accept what the

3924
02:34:45,349 --> 02:34:41,760
senses are taking in and that happens

3925
02:34:47,349 --> 02:34:45,359
that happens to anyone who goes through

3926
02:34:49,990 --> 02:34:47,359
something that changes their reality

3927
02:34:51,510 --> 02:34:50,000
there's a resistance to accepting that

3928
02:34:53,830 --> 02:34:51,520
it's true it's called the shock and

3929
02:34:55,190 --> 02:34:53,840
freeze factor however there are

3930
02:34:56,950 --> 02:34:55,200
phenomena

3931
02:34:59,510 --> 02:34:56,960
that are so

3932
02:35:03,190 --> 02:34:59,520
slow-moving like again the phoenix

3933
02:35:06,070 --> 02:35:03,200
lights where we had this large triangle

3934
02:35:08,469 --> 02:35:06,080
type ship that was one or two miles from

3935
02:35:11,110 --> 02:35:08,479
wing tip to wingtip blotting out but we

3936
02:35:13,590 --> 02:35:11,120
have no no photographs of it there's 10

3937
02:35:17,030 --> 02:35:13,600
000 people they estimated saw it there's

3938
02:35:17,990 --> 02:35:17,040
lots of photos and video of the phoenix

3939
02:35:19,830 --> 02:35:18,000
lights

3940
02:35:22,950 --> 02:35:19,840
that's no there's videotapes of the

3941
02:35:25,030 --> 02:35:22,960
flares that luke air force base stand up

3942
02:35:27,910 --> 02:35:25,040
45 minutes later there's no actually

3943
02:35:30,150 --> 02:35:27,920
photographs of the craft the uh

3944
02:35:32,389 --> 02:35:30,160
flares that were sent up were done one

3945
02:35:35,270 --> 02:35:32,399
week later after the phenomena

3946
02:35:37,270 --> 02:35:35,280
it was just timed to make it appear that

3947
02:35:39,270 --> 02:35:37,280
it was done in the same time frame but

3948
02:35:42,230 --> 02:35:39,280
it was no no no the flares were sent up

3949
02:35:43,910 --> 02:35:42,240
45 minutes after the craft went by

3950
02:35:47,110 --> 02:35:43,920
yeah but there are photos of the actual

3951
02:35:49,510 --> 02:35:47,120
phenomena and video as well if

3952
02:35:50,230 --> 02:35:49,520
you just uh do people do a search they

3953
02:35:53,429 --> 02:35:50,240
can

3954
02:35:55,429 --> 02:35:53,439
find various examples of that it is out

3955
02:35:57,270 --> 02:35:55,439
there and the reason why is because it

3956
02:35:59,670 --> 02:35:57,280
was such an incredibly slow-moving

3957
02:36:01,750 --> 02:35:59,680
phenomena at the time almost as if it

3958
02:36:03,030 --> 02:36:01,760
wanted to be seen by as many people as

3959
02:36:04,469 --> 02:36:03,040
possible

3960
02:36:06,790 --> 02:36:04,479
well it's something that you were you

3961
02:36:08,309 --> 02:36:06,800
were kind of fishing around for

3962
02:36:09,910 --> 02:36:08,319
i know it's in the book fishing around

3963
02:36:11,510 --> 02:36:09,920
for people that would make good spokes

3964
02:36:14,870 --> 02:36:11,520
people and

3965
02:36:17,510 --> 02:36:14,880
you you you touted uh

3966
02:36:19,910 --> 02:36:17,520
lynne katai as someone that

3967
02:36:23,590 --> 02:36:19,920
is positioned uh because of her you know

3968
02:36:25,590 --> 02:36:23,600
academic uh credentials and whatnot

3969
02:36:28,070 --> 02:36:25,600
as a there's a person to represent the

3970
02:36:30,630 --> 02:36:28,080
the ufo field and i and because she was

3971
02:36:32,389 --> 02:36:30,640
in raising arizona too the movie yeah i

3972
02:36:34,230 --> 02:36:32,399
expect to differ with you she's one of

3973
02:36:37,750 --> 02:36:34,240
the most bought in

3974
02:36:40,550 --> 02:36:37,760
naive total suspension of disbelief

3975
02:36:42,389 --> 02:36:40,560
special destiny person all the things

3976
02:36:44,230 --> 02:36:42,399
that are bells and whistles in my book i

3977
02:36:46,389 --> 02:36:44,240
mean i love linda pieces don't get me

3978
02:36:48,309 --> 02:36:46,399
wrong i think she's a great lady

3979
02:36:49,429 --> 02:36:48,319
but she's totally bought the whole true

3980
02:36:50,389 --> 02:36:49,439
believer

3981
02:36:52,070 --> 02:36:50,399
kool-aid

3982
02:36:54,790 --> 02:36:52,080
hook line and sinker

3983
02:36:55,990 --> 02:36:54,800
i i don't believe she's objective um i

3984
02:36:58,469 --> 02:36:56,000
think that she's

3985
02:37:00,230 --> 02:36:58,479
she's had a life-changing experience and

3986
02:37:02,309 --> 02:37:00,240
everything now is going to be tempered

3987
02:37:05,750 --> 02:37:02,319
through that particular prism

3988
02:37:08,309 --> 02:37:05,760
so it's always a bad thing whenever any

3989
02:37:10,070 --> 02:37:08,319
kind of phenomena or outlook becomes

3990
02:37:10,870 --> 02:37:10,080
like a religious

3991
02:37:13,590 --> 02:37:10,880
type

3992
02:37:15,830 --> 02:37:13,600
outlook instead of just what it is

3993
02:37:17,349 --> 02:37:15,840
and so i just want to tell people that

3994
02:37:19,830 --> 02:37:17,359
they have to they have to look at these

3995
02:37:22,389 --> 02:37:19,840
people's testimony and just you know

3996
02:37:24,950 --> 02:37:22,399
decide for themselves and uh you know

3997
02:37:26,950 --> 02:37:24,960
look at my testimony also in my books on

3998
02:37:29,429 --> 02:37:26,960
my website

3999
02:37:30,150 --> 02:37:29,439
johntammabooks.com

4000
02:37:32,150 --> 02:37:30,160
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4001
02:37:34,870 --> 02:37:32,160
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4002
02:37:36,870 --> 02:37:34,880
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4003
02:37:38,790 --> 02:37:36,880
and so they can decide for themselves

4004
02:37:39,750 --> 02:37:38,800
you know what is credible and what is

4005
02:37:42,150 --> 02:37:39,760
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4006
02:37:44,630 --> 02:37:42,160
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